A Bloody French Revolution - Vive La France!

[whydontwe]

C. Flower,
Yes...agree with you...just joined this site; seems there may be a lot of negativity out there (understandibly)...but think one of the real possibilities of this site might be to garner support for a real change in this sad, unequal society! It's obvious that our constitution, our political system and general oligarchy has to be dispensed with; but how to get rid of the high-muck-a-mucks? The politicians, developers, banks and the law-society have all made countless millions from their associations...fact! Any suggestions how this cosy cartel is to be broken so as to promote a more equal society?

[ModestMouse]

Alot of replies stating that we will not protest and that as Irish we will just sit tight and do nothing but moan. Well how do you all explain what the old age pensioners did when their medical card was threatened???

Methinks they protested very strongly and loudly and WERE heard. So obviously the "do nothing" attitude is coming from our more younger, mollycoddled generation.

Though personally I think most people are at a loss at what to do, nobody really understands what's happening, the goal posts change every day. I think we just want to see what happens, hoping to God that it is good news for a change. The majority just worried about their own family and how they will cope, with a much lower income.

You lads are just as bad, you get on this site as if you absolutely hate the Irish giving loads of vitriol. Well what have you lot done??? Just plenty of gobbing and pontificating no doubt!!!

Oh what a great post!!! I honestly couldn't have put it better myself.

I wonder which of your points our politically retarded youth will take most offence to??

[jinnyjoe]

Speaking for myself, I keep going to everything I can get to, and hope that others turn up, and I've started this site, so people can thrash out what to do, and find out what's going on.

Have you been to anything, or joined anything, jinnyjoe?

No Cactus I haven't, I have a sick husband and a child with serious learning difficulties so I really am tied up at home where I belong but I wasn't referring to you Cactus as I know you strive hard. It was the posts from the others saying basically that we are a load of money grabbing lazy good for nothings in the South of Ireland. These are the comments with which I have issue. Not your good self!!

[Ah Well]

No Cactus I haven't, I have a sick husband and a child with serious learning difficulties so I really am tied up at home where I belong but I wasn't referring to you Cactus as I know you strive hard. It was the posts from the others saying basically that we are a load of money grabbing lazy good for nothings in the South of Ireland. These are the comments with which I have issue. Not your good self!!

Other options have been afforded to people such as new and alternative political groups/parties coming into being instead of the tired old political guard of the 20th Century. I think it can be taken for granted that the take up and membership of each and support of/for every one of those to date has been far from groundbreaking and meagre. People constantly go on about change. But when options like that are given and people involved have put plenty time, hours and effort into it and still people don't support it.

It's damn easy to complain. It takes a bit more to actually get up and try to do something to change things.

But the simple fact is there are far more complaining than there are prepared to try to do something about it. And I see nothing indicating that is going to substantially change.

Yes, people are confused, frightened and looking out for themselves. But that doesn't stop them making efforts to change, big or small. Depending on someone else to start so you can follow is a negative outlook - it leads to a sheeple mentality. It may lead to nothing occurring because of such an attitude being taken collectively.

And without a shadow of a doubt there are some trying very hard to make some sort of change and they are to be commended. But the majority are not, for whatever reason which is best known to each and every man and woman themselves. And I cannot see that situation changing which of course means that you are left with what you have now - and that is a problem.

[truth.ie]

No Cactus I haven't, I have a sick husband and a child with serious learning difficulties so I really am tied up at home where I belong but I wasn't referring to you Cactus as I know you strive hard. It was the posts from the others saying basically that we are a load of money grabbing lazy good for nothings in the South of Ireland. These are the comments with which I have issue. Not your good self!!

Well, to be honest, I'm a Nordy meself and I would never label all those in the 26 as lazy good for nothings. Nor would I view all Northern Nationalists as ideological free spirits.
I've met some of the most principled people in the 26 and some of the most servile in the North. Good and bad on both sides.
I personally was principled and ideological for my entire adult life. Didn't get me far. Just melancholic, long days in Strand Road, Gough, Castlereagh, and Kevin Street barracks. Oh, and years of marginalisation and isolation from neighbours and relatives. Now I think twice about making sacrifices for people who I personally think aren't worth fighting for.
I'm still a patriot, and will don the kitbag in a Domesday or Rising situation, but right here and right now I don't feel the motivation.
To me it has to be "all out" or not at all.

[Apjp]

Maybe the Irish think is small country small mind. But we will Never fight to defend ourselves and anyone thinks we would is wrong. There have been countless Threads and Posts about Protests and other crap, the fact is we did and will do nothing. Our lives are being stolen from us and we will just open the wallet.
I may love my country but I hate the Irish attitude. Internationally, we have gone from being the Drunken Paddies to now being the Stupid Drunken Paddies.
We got massive funding from the EU and we saw nice new motorways and while we watched this the Politicians, Bankers and Developers were pocketing the rest and then some.
The Government have basically agreed with the Bankers Lawyers advice to sit tight, because there has been no statement to the contrary. The TDs, Regulator and Central Bank knew and Condoned what happened and that being the case you must question the validity of any so called investigation into the Corruption as they are being organised by the very people that ran the Country knowing what was going on.

Agreed. Irish Politicians are too afraid to stand up for the real concerns of Irish people-except those who are connected to them, bankers and bondholders. Internationally, we always do what we are told. I hate this. Why should Ireland have to listen to France or Germany-I get on well with people I know from both countries, and study French and German, and they would say why does Ireland lie down and let it's belly be scratched for a bone or two? Some tart in the Irish independent wrote 'we should sell our national debt' Far from being a good idea, this is madness. We are not a business to be sold because of liquidity problems-we must lose this notion that our country is a business. You cannot buy Ireland. Or at least, constitutionally you cannot. However, I am pretty sure if the boys in Dail Eireann want to, they can sell us out even further tomorrow to the vultures that run hedge funds, football clubs, and other casinos. I think the word vested interest comes into it a lot. Some parties don't want to get into power as they are against capitalism-which is stupid in my opinion as you could change things dramatically with any roll in a remotely left wing govt. Every party is guilty of vested interests on this count. The people are not blameless, but we are too easily didvided for a small nation. This country sickens me, and has made me into another young cynic. It makes me think that only new parties who put the country first could help-I have no faith in any Irish party. Indeed, it is hard to have faith in oneself or one's fellow man when you live in Ireland today.

[Apjp]

Alot of replies stating that we will not protest and that as Irish we will just sit tight and do nothing but moan. Well how do you all explain what the old age pensioners did when their medical card was threatened???

Methinks they protested very strongly and loudly and WERE heard. So obviously the "do nothing" attitude is coming from our more younger, mollycoddled generation.

Though personally I think most people are at a loss at what to do, nobody really understands what's happening, the goal posts change every day. I think we just want to see what happens, hoping to God that it is good news for a change. The majority just worried about their own family and how they will cope, with a much lower income.

You lads are just as bad, you get on this site as if you absolutely hate the Irish giving loads of vitriol. Well what have you lot done??? Just plenty of gobbing and pontificating no doubt!!!

I would be careful on the mollycoddled comment. After all, if you were raised in this generation, you would know that was encouraged by the parents, politicians and education system. No one tells you in school you go to college to emigrate. Thanks for the superior cynicism though-you have given me perspective. I also think that, given as I am a person whose family never experienced any boom-like most of the working class-your comments are just opinion, like a lot of the hot air as you rightly say the rest of us sometimes spout. Just be careful as what you think is jut perception. I have never heard the word mollycoddled unless it was from a vested interest with an agenda!

[disability student]

Both? Mon Dieu!

LOL. only human

Let me guess ... bodies? Am I right? C'est un miracle!

Yeah

None taken I'm sure ...

Thanks.

Insightful. I hope he is well paid

Oh yes he is and will be entering OAP's rank's in few years time.

[Fraxinus]

Well done Truth.ie, I'd actually been thinking of starting a thread on this very subject myself.

I put it down to a lackey mentality ingrained in the Southern mind.
I hope you aren't offended by me saying that....but the truth is finally being demonstrated in these extreme times.

I'm one of those so-called 'Trouble Making Nordy's'. I put up with that sh1t for years while living in the 'Free State' (I finally emigrated), and just let it slide on by. But inside I always thought, what a bunch of frickin cowards most southerners really are. Greedy money grubbing cowards, who sat on the sidelines and watched the catholic/nationalist people up there being massacred by the Brits. Worse still - they actually supported the foreign 'forces of law and order' who were responsible (along with their lackey's the protestant/unionist extremists).

You lot seem to me to have one obsession. One drive, one aim, one priority.....

Money.

Lots of it, any way you can get it, and the faster the better.

The bloody Nordies were just a pain in the ass distraction - too costly, financially damaging to 'our tourist industry', bad for 'our image abroad' etc etc.

So the nationalist minority had to fight on their own for justice and equality. The catholic population educated their children and dragged themselves out of the gutter where you gits left them. Whatever has been acheived up there was done without your help, and (indeed) in the face of your self centred criticism.

Now the situation is reversed. Your putrid 'Free' state is bankrupted, and you are now victims of your own greed and lack of moral courage.
How fitting.

Now you look around and wonder - where is the anger??!!
Its a bit effing late to suddenly wake up to the fact that you are a weak and emasculated race.

Your villification of Irish Nationalism has de-balled the lot of you and you haven't an ounce of solidarity among yourselves, never mind with your fellow's from across the border.

So, no, there will be no 'uprising'. There will be no 'peoples revolution'. There will hardly be a peep raised, because you have convinced yourselves that popular mass resistance to even the most intolerable regime is just 'trouble-making' - like the Nordy's.

Bang on, money obsessed greed merchants.

Post of the day.

[C. Flower]

Riots in Amiens, for the last three nights and the Minister for the Interior was jostled and heckled when he went there today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-euro...85#TWEET194967

France's interior minister has been jostled and jeered in the northern French city of Amiens where rioters have clashed with police.
Manuel Valls was in the city to hold meetings with officials after two nights of violence in which buildings and cars were set on fire.
Seventeen police officers were injured in Monday's clashes with dozens of youths, some of whom used live rounds.
A hundred extra police officers have been sent to Amiens as reinforcements.
Boos and curses A group of about 100 young men greeting Mr Valls as he arrived at the town hall, accompanied by security guards.
"Calm down! Calm down!" he shouted as the crowd booed and cursed him.

40% unemployment, but people there are saying it is aggressive policing that is causing the unrest.

[fluffybiscuits]

Riots in Amiens, for the last three nights and the Minister for the Interior was jostled and heckled when he went there today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-euro...85#TWEET194967



40% unemployment, but people there are saying it is aggressive policing that is causing the unrest.

Its well known the French pigs have a bee in their bonnet and like to be pushy. They started pushing the kids around the banlieus of Paris a while back and the kids responded with bricks and stones. Cant say I blame them...