CLR notes the website is still there
CLR notes the website is still there
The Indo does a bit of digging on the people who are storing the machines. It seems that four Returning Officers stored the equipment in their own properties and were paid a total of €414,084 between 2004 and 2007
There's a solid case to be made for denying certain PS staff the right to apply for government contracts linked to their official duties but until that happens they have the same rights as the rest of us.
Electronic voting machines to be disposed in a €70,267 contract with KMK Metals Recycling in Tullamore
Last edited by Dr. FIVE; 28-06-2012 at 06:25 PM.
OK, the FFers are out of power, wonder if Enda can now check the files to see what really happened, should be a lot easier than findiing "files" on night of Bank Guarantee.
Dutch company called Nedap sold the machines at approx euros 800- per machine, 7000 were sold and we paid euros 4500- per machine, a mysterious company got in the middle and cleaned up approx euros 25m for doing very little, company dissolved with Govt permission after 12 months with no contingent liabilities.
Nobody seems to know who the company was or who the Directors were, has to be a money trail here somewhere, smells of FF rats.
19th March 2009, 03:00 PM #89 SPN
Join Date Feb 2004
Posts 10,070 Originally Posted by michael1965
Ok, I know part of the reasoning behind this, is the disparity in cost between what the Dutch and Irish governments paid for the same machines. But, of course they aren't exactly the same machines. The Irish ones were customised for the Irish election system and I'd imagine that the unit cost for 750 machines was always going to be higher than the larger number of machines the Dutch used.
Having said that. It seems the govt. was committed to Nedap from the original trial, and maybe they did end up paying over the odds for the bulk of them, but again that could easily be explained because there was no competition at that stage.
Has the C&AG looked into it? Surely, if there was some dodginess surrounding it, he would have sniffed it out by now? Bottom line for me, is that unless someone comes up with hard evidence, it isn't fair to throw the accusation around.
I've been in contact with people in Holland who are familiar with both machines and the differences are very minor. They estimate the cost of parts to be less than €50.
Amsterdam City Council was quoted €400,000 for 480 machines (€833 each).
The Irish Government paid €31,500,000 for 7000 machines (€4,500 each).
You also need to remember that to run a General Election in Ireland with eVoting we would have to purchase between 7,000 and 9,000 additional machines. The f**king idiots only replaced the ballot boxes, not the polling booths.
7,000 machines would see long queues all over the Country at busy polling stations.
I see Kurt Kyck of KMK Metals discussed the recycling of the evoting machines on Morning Ireland today. He's already had people contacting him who are interested in buying units for sentimental reasons
'I had nothing to do with it,' says Cullen -
http://www.independent.ie/national-n...n-3154088.htmlTHE former minister responsible for buying the €54m e-voting machines -- which have now been sold for scrap -- claimed yesterday that the debacle had nothing to do with him.
Martin Cullen, who now lives in the US, refused to comment and said he didn't want to "get into" a discussion.
Thomas Jefferson : Banking Establishments are More Dangerous to our Liberties than Standing Armies.
Conflicting versions of this story in the IT and the Indo today.
According to the IT they are to be sold for €100 apiece by the recycling company
"The first 100 of the 7,500 e-voting machines bought by Co Offaly- based KMK Metals Recycling for €70,000 are to be sold for €100 each."
The Indo version claims that the contract specifically rules that out.
"the department said the machines had to be recycled. It added: "The department would be concerned about the machines turning up in other places. The contract is quite specific about that.""