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    Can't - I'm in a quiet room. Do they belong here, or on our Predictions for 2010 thread ?
    If predictions on terrorism / conflicts including Pakistan, Iran, Israel etc is related then should be ok, not sure about 2010 thread, didn't know their was one.

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    That is inaccurate. Iran has been channeling billions into developing their military for the last 20 years, their military capability is formidable.
    They might be good for defending against a land based invasive. I cant see them projectioning any serious power beyond their own border and defense from air craft flying on the verge of space is impossible, and/or cruise missiles.

    Nobody will want to occupy Iran, just flatten it and frighten it. Iran was held to a draw by Iraq. Iraw lasted about 30 mins against the yanks. Its hard to occupy and control a country. It is not hard to carpet bomb it or even strike with tactical nuclear weapons. I would be very slow to underestimate the power of the western miltary when the back is to the wall. You can be sure the best and latest weapons have never even been deployed.

    The only thing that restricts the destructive power of the Israelis is the need to aviod civilians. If its total war that will not be a factor. I would to see how a 30 year T52 tank is going to get from Iran to Israel?
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    Iran has developed some innovative AA/SAM capabilities that give the US pause. I've always believed that neither the US nor Israel will risk an offensive with Iran - regardless of their perennial brinkmanship.

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    The fact that Biden is out there at the moment so soon after the others means something. But what, I don't know.

    We have seen up until 2006 that the Middle Eastern States don't do so well in conventional war against the US and Israel. Air defences are critical and have always been lacking.
    The Lebanon was a shock, of course.

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    The current skirmishing between the US and Israel is almost certainly diversionary and a distraction from advanced war preparations against Iran. A Scottish Herald exclusive March 14 has published evidence that the US is making advanced preparations for a devastating bombing attack on Iran. This is combined with intensifying diplomatic, propoganda and covert operation pressures.


    Similar movement of new US "bunker buster" bombs was observed running up to last year's assault on Gaza. The Gaza operation was viewed by some as in part an opportunity to trial these weapons, designed to penetrate deep concrete structures such as those used to house Iran's nuclear facilities.


    Iran again in the focus for intense international competition for its oil and gas resources: China is increasingly dependent on its deals with iran and Russia has contracted to construct a nuclear facility. The US sees Iran very much in terms of who should be kept out of it, in terms of balance of power.

    The US is aggressively seeking sanctions against Iran, as they did in the build up to war against Iraq. Shell stopped selling gasoline to Iran last week.

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/mar2010/iran-m20.shtml

    The idea that Obama, a child of the State Department, and student of Brzezinski has peacemaking intentions in the Middle East is delusionary.
    He said nothing about Gaza as President elect. He has ramped up the war in Afghanistan and extended it into Pakistan. Honduras has been consigned to an army-backed regime. It seems highly likely that the move into Haiti with 16,000 troops is also a sign of danger to Cuba.


    Obama's New Year video message to Iran yesterday emphasised the deteriorating relations between the countries. The US has persistently tried to destabilise the Iranian government through the MEK and jundullah terror groups.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/20/barack-obama-usa



    Hundreds of powerful US “bunker-buster” bombs are being shipped from California to the British island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean in preparation for a possible attack on Iran.

    The Sunday Herald can reveal that the US government signed a contract in January to transport 10 ammunition containers to the island. According to a cargo manifest from the US navy, this included 387 “Blu” bombs used for blasting hardened or underground structures.

    Experts say that they are being put in place for an assault on Iran’s controversial nuclear facilities...


    Although Diego Garcia is part of the British Indian Ocean Territory, it is used by the US as a military base under an agreement made in 1971. The agreement led to 2,000 native islanders being forcibly evicted to the Seychelles and Mauritius.

    The Sunday Herald reported in 2007 that stealth bomber hangers on the island were being equipped to take bunker-buster bombs.

    Although the story was not confirmed at the time, the new evidence suggests that it was accurate. Contract details for the shipment to Diego Garcia were posted on an international tenders’ website by the US navy. A shipping company based in Florida, Superior Maritime Services, will be paid $699,500 to carry many thousands of military items from Concord, California, to Diego Garcia.

    Crucially, the cargo includes 195 smart, guided, Blu-110 bombs and 192 massive 2000lb Blu-117 bombs.


    “They are gearing up totally for the destruction of Iran,” said Dan Plesch, director of the Centre for International Studies and Diplomacy at the University of London, co-author of a recent study on US preparations for an attack on Iran. “US bombers are ready today to destroy 10,000 targets in Iran in a few hours,” he added.


    The preparations were being made by the US military, but it would be up to President Obama to make the final decision. He may decide that it would be better for the US to act instead of Israel, Plesch argued.

    “The US is not publicising the scale of these preparations to deter Iran, tending to make confrontation more likely,” he added. “The US ... is using its forces as part of an overall strategy of shaping Iran’s actions.”


    According to Ian Davis, director of the new independent thinktank, Nato Watch, the shipment to Diego Garcia is a major concern. “We would urge the US to clarify its intentions for these weapons, and the Foreign Office to clarify its attitude to the use of Diego Garcia for an attack on Iran,” he said.
    For Alan Mackinnon, chair of Scottish CND, the revelation was “extremely worrying”. He stated: “It is clear that the US government continues to beat the drums of war over Iran, most recently in the statements of Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton.

    “It is depressingly similar to the rhetoric we heard prior to the war in Iraq in 2003.”

    The British Ministry of Defence has said in the past that the US government would need permission to use Diego Garcia for offensive action. It has already been used for strikes against Iraq during the 1991 and 2003 Gulf wars. About 50 British military staff are stationed on the island, with more than 3,200 US personnel. Part of the Chagos Archipelago, it lies about 1,000 miles from the southern coasts of India and Sri Lanka, well placed for missions to Iran.


    The US Department of Defence did not respond to a request for a comment.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/world-news/final-destination-iran-1.1013151
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    If Sept.11th, Iraq, and Afghanistan has taught us anything, it's that all the smart bombs in the World won't bring you victory. People have learnt through the years that the U.S is not to be faced in conventional warfare, but it is very vulnerable in guerilla warfare.
    Iran no doubt will be preparing for all possible scenarios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truth.ie View Post
    If Sept.11th, Iraq, and Afghanistan has taught us anything, it's that all the smart bombs in the World won't bring you victory. People have learnt through the years that the U.S is not to be faced in conventional warfare, but it is very vulnerable in guerilla warfare.
    Iran no doubt will be preparing for all possible scenarios.
    The Americans will also be hoping that the Iranians deploy their chem/bio arsenal against any possible invasion as it would provide the prerequisite for atomic strikes which would essentially clear the ground of future resistance.
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    The Americans will also be hoping that the Iranians deploy their chem/bio arsenal against any possible invasion as it would provide the prerequisite for atomic strikes which would essentially clear the ground of future resistance.


    Gaza - new US bunker busters were trialled on the tunnels. They were hardly necessary for these little structures and it was fairly obviously a test for Iran and also a warning to Iran.

    Drop a few of these on nuclear plants and you'll get plenty of contamination. Given what we have seen of Falluja, I don't think they give a damn. The US still denies that uranium tipped missiles are a
    health hazard.

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    At every step, the US makes very sure that Iran is aware of all its moves, to step up pressure on the Iranians.

    More on these bombs.

    http://aljazeera.com/news/articles/3...ster-bomb.html

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    I do not think there is any chance of the US attacking Iran while they still have an army on the ground in Iraq. It is an army which could easily be lost.

    The is also the question of oil supplies through the straits and the effect this could have on the world economy if disrupted.

    Obama is an outright reactionary (we used to say "black reactionary" back in the day but I better not use that expression) but he is not a ******.

    I think their main concern at the moment with regard to Iran is to try and stop the Israelis from doing anything stupid.

    The recently expressed views of his General in the region are quite interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post

    I think their main concern at the moment with regard to Iran is......
    To secure [steal] their oil reserves
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    Gaza - new US bunker busters were trialled on the tunnels. They were hardly necessary for these little structures and it was fairly obviously a test for Iran and also a warning to Iran.

    Drop a few of these on nuclear plants and you'll get plenty of contamination. Given what we have seen of Falluja, I don't think they give a damn. The US still denies that uranium tipped missiles are a
    health hazard.


    Alamut, Iran where Hassan Ibn Sabbah founded the Assassin/Hashishin fatimid sect which is now known as the Ismaelis,
    Alamoot: The historic fortresses are known as the Castles of the Assassins, which were first introduced into European literature by the returning Crusaders, and made famous this century in Dane Freya Stark's classical Valleys of the Assassins. These were the heavily fortified lairs of the adherents of a bizarre religious cult, based loosely on the precepts of the Ismaili Sect. The cult was founded in the 11th century by Hassan Sabah. This heretical and widely feared sect sent out killers throughout the region to murder the leading political and religious figures. Its followers, the Hashishiyun, were so called because of their leader's alleged cunning ruse of taking them into beautiful secret gardens (filled with equally enticing young maidens), getting them stoned on hashish and then sending them out on their homicidal assignments under the illusion that Hassan Sabah had the power to transport them to paradise.
    http://www.irantravelingcenter.com/a...lamut_iran.htm

    Blu bombs will not take down mountains, and Iran will make Afghanistan look like a cake bake if ground troops ever enter.
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    American 'smart' bombs aren't as smart as they are purported to be and I know this for a fact. At Karbala a house was lazed by a Kiowa scout helicopter after the infantry had withdrawn under heavy GPMG and RPG fire. The USAF dropped a series of lazer-guided 'JDAM' and demolished most of the houses around it; I am unaware of civilian casualties as I was about 8 miles away at the time and they don't talk about suchlike on the radio. The decision was then taken to attack the target house with artillery from the battery from which I was controlling the radio traffic. The radar-guided artillery proved more effective but that's hardly the point. As I say, I never learned whom or how many were buried, mangled beneath the rubble.
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...tinians-israel

    The Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, has bowed to American demands to suspend the construction of settlement homes in east Jerusalem ahead of his departure today for a visit to Washington DC, it was reported last night.

    He has not agreed to stop building in east Jerusalem but yesterday's move is one of a number of goodwill gestures made towards the Palestinian Authority in the wake of US calls for steps to help kick-start the stalled Middle East peace process, according to Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

    Other gestures from Netanyahu are said to include promises to ease the blockade of the Gaza Strip for the first time since Israel's military offensive last winter and to discuss the core issues: Palestinian refugees, borders, Jerusalem, security arrangements, water and settlements.
    http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=79

    The Times of London reported that Netanyahu's capitulation also likely had much to do with Obama's sudden diversion of a shipment of advanced bunker-buster bombs to Israel. According to the report, 387 of the bombs were en route to Israel last week, when the White House decided to send them to a holding facility in the Indian Ocean instead.

    The move was seen as punishment for Israel daring to throw its position on Jerusalem in Washington's face while Biden was visiting.

    Netanyahu reportedly plans to press Obama to release the bomb shipment, which experts say is crucial should Israel decided to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities.
    So is the report bt the Times, that the bombs destination was altered, as a punishment, just a smoke screen for Obamba's real intentions?

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    Very good question.

    The story originated from the World Tribune, "Quoting Congressional Sources " an intel-info pay to view site which describes itself so...

    Opinion columns published by WorldTribune.com tend to reinforce the Judeo-Christian values and the philosophy of governance and freedom inherent in the founding of the United States of America and which are understood to apply to all people, in every nation.
    http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...0217_03_18.asp

    So, we have to decide for ourself whether it's reliable or not. I would be suggesting that the Iranians should get themselves into readiness, on a precationary basis, to defend themselves and protect their civilian populations.

    The UK is 100% implicated in this as they allow the US to treat Diego Garcia as if it was US territory.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/p...pens-1.1014932

    Last week, the Sunday Herald revealed 387 bunker buster bombs were being shipped to Diego Garcia by the US. Some experts suggested the move could be in preparation for a possible strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities.
    Although the island is part of British territory, it is used by the US as a military base. Some US air strikes against Iraq in 1991 and 2003, and against Afghanistan since 2001, have come from Diego Garcia. The island has also been used for the extraordinary rendition of suspected terrorists.

    “The use of British sovereign territory without restriction is clearly something which causes great concern,” said Sir Menzies Campbell MP, a member of the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee and a former Liberal Democrat leader. “The Government has been reluctant to give specific details about the nature of the agreement which governs US occupation. More transparency is unquestionably required.”

    The LibDem foreign spokesman, Edward Davey MP, called on the foreign secretary, David Miliband, to make clear whether Diego Garcia was being used by the US to prepare for military action against Iran. “The events relating to this island of shame have damaged Britain’s international reputation,” he said.

    The Foreign Office did not respond to a request for comment yesterday.
    Last weekend’s Sunday Herald story about the shipment of US bunker busters to Diego Garcia was followed up by scores of media outlets across the world, in the US, Russia, Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East.

    One report, from the World Tribune in the US, said the shipment had been originally destined for US bases in Israel. Quoting Congressional sources, it suggested the bunker busters had been diverted to Diego Garcia as part of an unacknowledged embargo on military equipment for Israel
    The Obama administration up to January of this year was saying it would put its materiel into Israel in build up for war against Iran.

    Under the plan, the U.S. military was to have stored 195 BLU-110 and 192 BLU-117 munitions in unspecified air force bases in Israel. The U.S. military uses four Israeli bases for the storage of about $400 million worth of pre-positioned equipment meant for use by either Washington or Jerusalem in any regional war. In January 2010, the administration agreed to an Israeli request to double the amount of U.S. military stockpiles to $800 million. Officials said the bunker-busters as well as Patriot missile interceptors were included in the agreement.
    It is possible that Obama was sufficiently piqued by the settlement announcement during Biden's visit to Israel to redirect the lot to Diego Garcia, but there are plenty of alternative explanations.

    It might be worth taking a look at Biden's history, to get an idea of the thinking.

    Also, remember that when faced with opposition to the Nuclear "shield" in eastern Europe, Obama's reaction was to quickly allocate it to US subs.

    I don't think Obama is big into partnerships.

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