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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    An advantage for who ?
    Trump and the US. This seems to be the opening phase of negotiations rather than the end of them. Iran does seem to have links to various groups all over the ME and it may, according to some sources, be providing funds for them. Hitting Iran with sanctions is one way to reduce this. Most people think of war in terms of combat and dead bodies. This is a different kind of war. It is an economic war.

    There is much disturbance in the governments of the other three participants in the agreement with Iran. Britain, France and Germany are trying to keep the agreement going - all three have very big trading activity with Iran. The US is threatening sanctions against any country/company that doesn't fall into line.
    The UK will probably fall in line. France does seem to be having problems with Macron and the choreography of the meeting with Trump suggests that he needs some successes and quickly. Merkel has damaged Germany and the fool has singlehandedly resurrected what people refer to as the Far Right in Germany. AfD went from being a political non-entity to being a major player in the German parliament. (I said here a few years ago that Europe was turning right but like frogs in a warming pan of water, few seemed to have noticed in the media. The election with Wilders was comical because the fools in the media thought they had won because he didn't get elected. Holland doesn't have a Leftist government.) Merkel can be deposed by her own people and they will do so if it is necessary to save their own electoal hides. The junior partner in the German government may well be Labouricised in the next GE. Drunken Juncker is going to be removed as he has been a disaster for the EU. A lot of his friends will probably be removed too and the European Parliament after the next Euros (2019) may be quite different from the current one. It is against this political backdrop that the US moves on Iran will play out.


    Another step towards trade war between the US and Europe and certainly more real war in the Middle East.
    I'm not so sure about a trade war with the US. The UK is now more likey to be on the US side in such a trade war and Ireland's "loyalty" to Brussels is really non-existent in the general population despite that laughable propaganda from the EUnuch operation about Irish people being over 90% in favour of the EU membership. Culturally, Ireland has more in common with the US than it has with the EU. If push comes to shove, blood is thicker than the plonk that Drunken Juncker swills. The Visegrad group aren't too happy with Merkel and co either. The EU is far from united and a trade war would destroy it.

    Regards...jmcc

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    Iran 'fires 20 rockets' at Israel army in occupied Golan HeightsThe Guardian 22m ago
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    Illegally occupying the Golan heights and play the victim that they were attacked. You couldn't make it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    Illegally occupying the Golan heights and play the victim that they were attacked. You couldn't make it up.
    Golan occupation is the price Syria pays for the 6 day, and Yom Kippur wars. Are you claiming Israel wasn't attacked yesterday? If so what evidence do you have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Golan occupation is the price Syria pays for the 6 day, and Yom Kippur wars. Are you claiming Israel wasn't attacked yesterday? If so what evidence do you have.
    Absolutely was attacked and should have been attacked WAY before now. Iran will never win but it's high time Israel got a hiding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Golan occupation is the price Syria pays for the 6 day, and Yom Kippur wars. Are you claiming Israel wasn't attacked yesterday? If so what evidence do you have.
    And if there is a price to pay for aggression, what exactly is the price imperial nations such as the US and UK should pay for aggression and invading sovereign states? Do we have a value on these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    And if there is a price to pay for aggression, what exactly is the price imperial nations such as the US and UK should pay for aggression and invading sovereign states? Do we have a value on these?
    Wrong question.


    These days the US/UK doesn't do much imperialism without the legal authorization of the UN Security Council. Syria didn't have UN blessing when it twice attacked Israel, nor did Iran yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Wrong question.


    These days the US/UK doesn't do much imperialism without the legal authorization of the UN Security Council. Syria didn't have UN blessing when it twice attacked Israel, nor did Iran yesterday.
    The US runs the Security Council. The UN is a different thing. The US and UK have either bypassed the UN or concocted elaborate virtual reality hoaxes to 'justify' invading countries it wishes to dismantle and rape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    Trump and the US. This seems to be the opening phase of negotiations rather than the end of them. Iran does seem to have links to various groups all over the ME and it may, according to some sources, be providing funds for them. Hitting Iran with sanctions is one way to reduce this. Most people think of war in terms of combat and dead bodies. This is a different kind of war. It is an economic war.

    The UK will probably fall in line. France does seem to be having problems with Macron and the choreography of the meeting with Trump suggests that he needs some successes and quickly. Merkel has damaged Germany and the fool has singlehandedly resurrected what people refer to as the Far Right in Germany. AfD went from being a political non-entity to being a major player in the German parliament. (I said here a few years ago that Europe was turning right but like frogs in a warming pan of water, few seemed to have noticed in the media. The election with Wilders was comical because the fools in the media thought they had won because he didn't get elected. Holland doesn't have a Leftist government.) Merkel can be deposed by her own people and they will do so if it is necessary to save their own electoal hides. The junior partner in the German government may well be Labouricised in the next GE. Drunken Juncker is going to be removed as he has been a disaster for the EU. A lot of his friends will probably be removed too and the European Parliament after the next Euros (2019) may be quite different from the current one. It is against this political backdrop that the US moves on Iran will play out.


    I'm not so sure about a trade war with the US. The UK is now more likey to be on the US side in such a trade war and Ireland's "loyalty" to Brussels is really non-existent in the general population despite that laughable propaganda from the EUnuch operation about Irish people being over 90% in favour of the EU membership. Culturally, Ireland has more in common with the US than it has with the EU. If push comes to shove, blood is thicker than the plonk that Drunken Juncker swills. The Visegrad group aren't too happy with Merkel and co either. The EU is far from united and a trade war would destroy it.

    Regards...jmcc
    This article, by a well informed commentator in the ME, sees it the way I do. Under Obama first and now Trump EU - US trade relations are increasingly under strain. https://english.alarabiya.net/en/vie...e-enough-.html
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    Well, Trump and his mob have threatened regime change in Iran. Illegal to do so under international law. After issuing crazy sanctions threats.
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