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    Seven British soldiers / former British soldiers were in the High Court in London today arguing that they did not want to be interviewed in Northern Ireland.
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    Announcement expected now as to whether or not there will be prosecutions. Of course, only squaddies in the frame, not the people who set this up
    - and Ballymurphy a few days earlier.
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    Director of Public Prosecutions of Northern Ireland has released a statement that there is sufficient evidence to prosecute one soldier "in respect of the other 18 suspects the available evidence is insufficient to prosecute."
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    Has the look of scapegoating about it in that case.
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    Has anyone else been struck by the similarity of the turkey shoot character of both the NZ massacre and the wholesale killing sprees by unarmed people by British troops in Ballymurphy and at Bloody Sunday in 1971 and 1972? In both cases, people perceived as 'untermensch' were targeted. Divide and rule always the strategy.

    I think the scapegoating aspect is not prosecuting those who were in charge on the day, from the top (in Government) down the military command line.
    The firing went on for 15 minutes. That is not a picture of a lone 'mad dog' soldier out of control. They were fired up before they went in, and they were under the control of their officers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post

    I think the scapegoating aspect is not prosecuting those who were in charge on the day, from the top (in Government) down the military command line.
    The firing went on for 15 minutes. That is not a picture of a lone 'mad dog' soldier out of control. They were fired up before they went in, and they were under the control of their officers.
    Yes. To clarify, I don't accept the Saville Report. I believe true responsibility went much higher up. I would have prosecuted politicians and generals.

    I would be interested in a class based analysis of Bloody Sunday specifically and the broader Troubles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    Yes. To clarify, I don't accept the Saville Report. I believe true responsibility went much higher up. I would have prosecuted politicians and generals.

    I would be interested in a class based analysis of Bloody Sunday specifically and the broader Troubles.
    You could put a skeleton to that - British Imperialism (vanilla) using divide and rule in a colony, the same as it did in the rest of the world. Kitson as one of its specialist operators not only in open slaughter but also in dark operations.

    Did anyone ever find out who the 'gunman' was seen on the day ?

    Interview with Wilford who was the Officer in Charge on the day and an outline by the BBC which shows that this was given the nod from the highest level. I think it is inconceivable that Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday hadn't been cleared or directed from the highest level in Government.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47559123
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