As usual, I did try to warn ye all about how this sort of carry-on would only get a lot worse after the Guarantee, the then-inevitable IMF arrival and now last week's formal surrender-monkey dismantling of any pretence of Ireland as a sovereign state.
What has always astounded me about Ireland is how bloody obvious all this nonsense is, how wilfully delusional most of the populace are, and just how many cretins there really are - actively, with malice aforethought - scheming and conniving to sell their countrymen down the river.
Take the pikes down from the thatch or embrace your servility, I don't really care which any more, just stop spoofing, dissembling and pretending.
It's the deference thing that irks me no end. The limited amount of schooling I received, in the mid-60s, included the 1916 Rising, and from what I could gather it was a culmination of a centuries-long battle against evil oppressors. Oppressors, mind you, who failed to wipe out our Catholic, Christian and Gaelic Culture, and that we triumphed in the end for the most part except that portion up North where the oppressors was still beating down on our Catholic, Christian and Gaelic Culture. Lots of talk from the clergy teacher about how the men (no mention of women) at the GPO were fighting to secure Ireland's Independence from the oppressors' yoke and in order to cherish all of the children of the nation equally.
Being not of a deferential mind myself, and despite my tender years, I did ask of the clergy teacher why some many of us children were locked up, despite such a stirring victory by the Men of 1916! Needless to say I got a severe beating on the spot; but the worse ignominy to befall me following my 'ignorant' question was that I was banned from taking part in the 50th Commemoration of the Easter Rising - and I had the starring role as I was to be Padraig Pearse. Dignitaries from the local town were to see our play and tea biscuits were going to be the order of the day.
Instead I was consigned to the farm outhouses where I was to sort spuds with the other reprobates who'd asked uncomfortable questions!
Give me a misty day, pearly gray, silver, silky faced, wide-awake crescent-shaped smile
Andrew or anyone else that is interested, got a few of these today.
Rebellion walking tour
They may crush the flowers, and trample every living thing but they cant stop the spring..
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Ireland was colonialised, rather than feudal, in the 19th century - not the same thing. There were absentee landlords, and the dross of public servants sent here. The British were willing to grant substantial land reform without a revolution, to buy off a portion of the population in exchange for a small farm. It didn't work out of course.
And since you've had the good taste to revive what was an excellent thread might I add that the recent publication of the Archives does little to dispel the horrible and treacherous thought that the whole 1916 thing was an elaborate land grab and score setling exercise. Tribal, in other words. Of course, what else could be expected from an insurrection that was defined by the Proclamation ; a simple military call -to-arms with a single goal.
Plain and simple.
A large part of the "men of 1916" was comprised of the Irish Citizen Army. I doubt they were interested in "land grabbing".
You have an unfortunate habit of trying to twist Irish history to fit your warped ideological outlook.
A time between ashes and roses is coming
When everything shall be extinguished
When everything shall begin
It is the 'settlement' mentality. LM views everything through the prism of possession of land. An obsession with others of his mentality in the middle east who have spent most of their history trying to thieve land.
Think National. Act Local. Oh- and superstition is just the dark matter of human history.
In hindsight, should socialists have bothered to get involved in 1916? Perhaps Connolly was wrong, and the Irish worker would have done better as part of the UK labour movement.
When I see how Britain developed a welfare state and a national health service while we developed into a priest-ridden gombeen backwater, I sometimes wonder.
Which archives? You didnt give a link, so I'm assuming that you were using this site - "Documents of Irish Foreign Policy" - a very useful resource.
1916 was patently no single thing. The Proclamation was a statement from a temporary coalition who agreed on one thing and disagreed on many. To some extent, it was an indirect response to the horror of World War and imperialism generally.
Ironic indeed that the response was military, but life is a contradictory thing.
Devalera sent Walshe to Rome to get approval for the religious aspects of the 1937 Constitution from the Pope.
The Pope said it didn't go far enough in recognising the RC Church, but was a big improvement on the previous Free State Constitution.
The military archives are open, and there's a thread on here about them. Even in retrospect those giving testimonies admitted to serious deviation from the war aims while papering over the cracks by insisting that the IRA took steps to punish those involved.