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    A letter in today's Irish Times supports Prof Nelligan's assertions:

    We, like him [Nelligan], believe that placing the national paediatric hospital on the geographically constrained Mater site in Dublin’s city centre is not in the best interest of the sick children of Ireland. – Yours, etc,

    Dr FIN BREATNACH, paediatric oncologist, Prof KARINA BUTLER, infectious diseases paediatrician, Dr GERRY CANNY, respiratory paediatrician. Dr BILL CASEY, paediatric anaesthetist, Dr COLETTE CORCORAN, public health medicine, Mr FRANK DOWLING, spinal and orthopaedic surgeon, Dr DESMOND DUFF, paediatric cardiologist, Prof RAYMOND FITZGERALD, paediatric surgeon, Mr ESMOND FOGARTY, orthopaedic surgeon, Prof EDWARD GUINEY, paediatric surgeon, Dr SINEAD HARTE, paediatric anaesthetist, Dr ROISIN HAYES, paediatric radiologist, Dr ROISIN HEALY, paediatric emergency medicine, Dr JERRY KELLEHER, paediatric radiologist, Dr PEADAR MACMANAIS, ophthalmologist, Mr ANDREW MAGUIRE, ENT surgeon, Mr DAVID MOORE, orthopaedic surgeon, Mr JACQUES NOEL, orthopaedic surgeon, Dr PAMELA O’CONNOR, paediatrician and neonatologist, Prof BARRY O’DONNELL, paediatric surgeon, past president RCSI, Prof NIALL O’DONOHUE, FTCD, emeritus professor of paediatrics, TCD, Dr EITHNE PHELAN, paediatric radiologist, Mr FERGAL QUINN, paediatric surgeon, Dr MARY WALDRON, paediatric nephrologist.
    These people should be heeded; not Bertie Ahern and his cronies.

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    Default Re: Nelligan - National Childrens' Hospital Site - Wrong Site Picked for Political Reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by musashi View Post
    A letter in today's Irish Times supports Prof Nelligan's assertions:



    These people should be heeded; not Bertie Ahern and his cronies.
    That was in interesting letter. These are the people who should have been consulted in the first instance. Bertie was the car park accountant and that would be the only area where ROI would be achieved. Sad really.

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    Nelligan - National Childrens' Hospital Site - Wrong Site Picked for Political Reasons.

    The hospital is in the wrong place and to be managed by the wrong people. I've no doubt the site WAS picked for political reasons but it amazes me that the nuns at the Mater are still considered fit persons to be working with the vulnerable.

    Quote Originally Posted by concernedparent View Post
    And as for taking the nuns out of the equation. While it has its merits we need not be in a hurry to throw the baby out with the bathwater. It was while the nuns were in charge that hygiene was a priority in the hospitals. Was MRSA even conceived in those days.
    Oh for the days when the hospitals had a supply of free labour from the Industrial Schools and Magdalene Asylums/Mother & Baby Homes.
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    Yep

    Just done it thrown the baby out with the bathwater.

    I certainly do not condone the policies of the catholic church in former times. Indeed I dont condone their policies in current times.

    The point I am making which seems to have passed you by is that the hospitals used to have standards in cleaning. A person was in charge of the task in hand and there was someone with overall responsibility.

    In other words, if the job wasn't done the person responsible had to answer..

    Not so long ago I was in a public hospital where the person doing the cleaning dished out the food. Same uniform worn for both tasks.

    Now is that not a quick and healthy way to spread infection.

    And what is easily forgotten is that the 'religious' orders provided some semblance of health and educational care because there was nothing in the public system.

    Again and we are seeing it even more now, the Government of the times were more than happy to abdicate responsibility for providing these services.

    The buck should stop with the government, then and now. They are after all the one mandated to run the country.
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    Mr & Mrs Nelligan are on Miriam Meets on RTE 1 now.

    http://www.rte.ie/radio/liveplayer2_....smil,real,200

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    the last monument to Bertie will cause suffering to so many families and children. I've got hot air coming out of my head I'm so angry with this decision. RIP (Rot in perpetuity) , BA, when you eventually go...you made CH look like an amateur...

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    Thumbs down Another example of cronyism in Ireland

    The Department of Health confirmed that it appointed Prof Drumm to the National Paediatric Hospital Board on August 16th at the nomination of the HSE. He replaces senior HSE official Brian Gilroy who stepped down from the board. Mr Gilroy is currently acting chief executive of the HSE pending the arrival of Cathal Magee to the post next month.
    The govt thought they'd sneak this one in under the radar during silly season.

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    Absolutely crazy idea, being a parent who had to rush to a hospital with a 1yr old baby who was very sick at the time (and bring my 3yr old too) at 4.45pm on a Tuesday evening -rush hour. I was eternally grateful for Tallaght Hospital, if I had to go through City Centre at the time can you imagine the panic I would have been in, nevermind been a hazard to other drivers. A large hospital in the middle of a very congested city??? Crazy crazy idea, only Bertie could have come with it and has M Harney still not cottoned on to the fact that she is nothing short of useless!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by musashi View Post
    The govt thought they'd sneak this one in under the radar during silly season.
    Yes as usual its jobs for the boys season.

    Amazing how it couldn't go to someone from outside the usual cohort of 'comrades in arms'.

    It just confirms the contempt they hold the average man in the street. AGAIN.


    And as for trying to get a sick child to a hospital in a hurry, their concern there is nil.

    Parents of the country unite.

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    The Childrens' Hospital location is under focus again today with the resignation of the Chairman of Hospital Development Board today- Harney won't comment.

    Health Minister Mary Harney is refusing to say whether she asked the chairman of the national children's hospital development board to resign after a row over funding.

    Philip Lynch stepped down earlier last week amid concerns over the funding available for the construction of the new hospital.

    The Government is committing just €400m to build the hospital, but the latest estimate suggests it will cost at least €650m to construct.

    Minister Harney has today refused to say why Mr Lynch stepped down, however she said the Government was committed to ensuring the hospital is built as quickly as possible.
    The increased costs of building high rise and with underground car parking, due to the constricted site have been mentioned as possible issues.

    Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/h...#ixzz124CPXgcX

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    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...reaking39.html


    Inexorable march towards the wrong building on the wrong site for the wrong reasons ?

    The chief executive of the development board of the new national children’s hospital has refused to be drawn on the controversy surrounding the resignation of the board's chairman Philip Lynch.

    Eilísh Hardiman said she didn't know why he resigned and that she was not privy to that information.

    It is understood Mr Lynch resigned last week over concerns about a gap in funding for the new hospital, as well as fresh anxieties about the controversial decision to locate the hospital on the campus of Dublin's Mater hospital.

    Ms Hardiman said the board, set up in 2007 to design and build the new hospital into which the existing three children’s hospitals in Dublin will be merged, was a cohesive unit which strongly supported the project.

    Asked if it would be better if Mr Lynch explained why he resigned, she said that was a matter for him. He has not commented so far.

    Minister for Health Mary Harney also refused to comment today on the reasons behind his resignation, saying speculation around it would not be helpful.

    Ms Hardiman said the new hospital will open by 2015 at the earliest. However, this hinges on planning permission being granted by An Bord Pleanála.

    The hospital will cost €650 million, some €100 million less than was estimated 18 months ago due to current market conditions.

    She said the exchequer had committed €400 million to the project and a further €50 million had been committed in the HSE's capital plan for the construction of an urgent care centre in Tallaght to cater for the needs of children requiring emergency services in south Dublin after the new hospital opens.

    She said she was confident a further €110 million would come from philanthropy and fundraising and that €90 million would come from private clinics, retail units, a car park with up to 1,000 spaces, as well as from research and education grants.

    She conceded none of the €110 million had yet been raised. She said it would not have been appropriate to start fundraising before planning permission had been received.

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    Any comments on the design ? The "roof gardens" are a sad cod - would be covered with ventilation shafts, portacabins and pigeon poo within months.

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    The helicopter pad would be more useful if we had a helicopter ambulance service

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    PROPERTY DEVELOPER Noel Smyth has said the chairman of the board established to design and build the national children’s hospital at Dublin’s Mater hospital discussed with him the possibility of building the hospital on an alternative site in recent weeks.

    He said he was waiting for the go-ahead to give a presentation to the board of the new national children’s hospital on how the hospital could be built for less on a site close to the M50, when he was informed the board’s chairman Philip Lynch was resigning.
    Mayhap this alternative plan was cutting into politicians' kickbacks. So they nipped the problem in the bud.

    Mr Smyth said that Mr Lynch had made contact with his team in August after reading a letter in The Irish Times from his project director saying the hospital could be built for €150 million less than was planned. That letter was published in response to an article by the late Maurice Neligan in The Irish Times’ HEALTHplus supplement in which he indicated he had changed his mind about the suitability of the Mater site for the new children’s hospital.

    Mr Smyth said he met Mr Lynch on the Naas Road, close to where he was proposing the hospital be built, about two weeks before Mr Lynch resigned. He said Mr Lynch asked him to draft a letter on what he was proposing and when he submitted this he was asked to elaborate further in a second letter, which he did. I was waiting for him to come back to me regarding our team putting our proposals to his board in terms of the design, planning and financing of the hospital when I got a call last Thursday evening to say he had resigned,” he said.

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    Surprising coincidence that the price of the Mater Hospital when announced had also dropped by €150 million.

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