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    The New York Times and the Guardian are running a large quantity of "low level" intelligence material obtained via Wikileaks which taken as a whole is said to be the largest ever intelligence leak.

    "The War Diary 2004-2010" - Wikileaks

    http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Afghan_War_Diary,_2004-2010


    The New York Times

    http://goo.gl/D667

    The Guardian -

    http://goo.gl/XHW4

    The leaks show the terrible effects on civilians and how the war is being lost.


    Our previous threads on Wikileaks and Afghanistan - how the US tried to stop the Afghanistan leaks

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...ight=wikileaks

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...ight=wikileaks

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...ight=wikileaks
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    The Wikileaks "War Diary 2004-2010" is here -

    http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Afghan_War_Diary,_2004-2010

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    CNN want your help to review the material and report back to them
    http://ireport.cnn.com/ir-topic-stor...topicId=475812

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    There's a bit of an overview here. I'm still reserving personal judgement about Wikileaks and the Afghanistan leaks until I've had a good look at what's there. It needs a "stress test" to see that it's not a piece of media manipulation.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/wo...logs.html?_r=1

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    have been checking the interactive google maps , one thing that Wikileaks may not have considered is the fact that many Afghans are compromised by their names or village names being put on line in reports about meeting US troops and taking money

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    Quote Originally Posted by People Korps View Post
    have been checking the interactive google maps , one thing that Wikileaks may not have considered is the fact that many Afghans are compromised by their names or village names being put on line in reports about meeting US troops and taking money
    Indeed. We don't even know if the reports are correct/true or are disinformation.

    "What's missing from the Wikileaks" - Huffington Post - says that many of the worst known cases of civilian killings are not included. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erica-..._b_660043.html

    I have no specific reason to believe the leaks aren't genuine whistleblowing. I just think that a precautionary look at the alternative scenario is needed. The leaks are going to be enormously important in shaping the international view of the war.
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    I've been a fan of Wikileaks for a while now and reckon the latest releases are perfectly kosher. I'm not so sure about giving this material to the mainstream media prior to the general release mind you. Imo it fails to recognise their complicity in the attempt at genocide.

    I think it might be taken generally that Wikileaks ought to be neutral, similar to the way the mainstream press likes to be perceived. From a personal perspective I reckon this to be a failed mechanism, or more correctly a delusion. Neutrality in reporting is an impossibility and the bias begins the moment a journalist or a news organisation decides what to report.

    Anyhow Julian has nailed his colours to the mast on this particular issue and has greatly irked the untouchables in the Whitehouse and the Pentagon, with his reasoning behind this latest release: "I like to crush bastards!"

    A sentiment I admire and applaud. This latest release is not the end of it, not by a long shot. In the near future the team at Wikileaks will be releasing a video of a massacre, where more than 140 people were butchered, a good portion of them women and children.

    One of the big consequences of this latest release will become more prominent over the next few days as many countries check out how their troops died. The Canadians are already beginning to get the picture as it emerges that four of their troops were not killed by insurgents but were offed in a 'friendly fire' incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seán Ryan View Post
    I've been a fan of Wikileaks for a while now and reckon the latest releases are perfectly kosher. I'm not so sure about giving this material to the mainstream media prior to the general release mind you. Imo it fails to recognise their complicity in the attempt at genocide.

    I think it might be taken generally that Wikileaks ought to be neutral, similar to the way the mainstream press likes to be perceived. From a personal perspective I reckon this to be a failed mechanism, or more correctly a delusion. Neutrality in reporting is an impossibility and the bias begins the moment a journalist or a news organisation decides what to report.

    Anyhow Julian has nailed his colours to the mast on this particular issue and has greatly irked the untouchables in the Whitehouse and the Pentagon, with his reasoning behind this latest release: "I like to crush bastards!"

    A sentiment I admire and applaud. This latest release is not the end of it, not by a long shot. In the near future the team at Wikileaks will be releasing a video of a massacre, where more than 140 people were butchered, a good portion of them women and children.

    One of the big consequences of this latest release will become more prominent over the next few days as many countries check out how their troops died. The Canadians are already beginning to get the picture as it emerges that four of their troops were not killed by insurgents but were offed in a 'friendly fire' incident.

    Blowback's a *****!
    I'm reassured by that, thanks. Here's to the whistleblowers, may there be many more of them.

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    As I mentioned above the leaks endanger Afghans

    Channel 4 news tonight reports that in an interview today the Taliban told them that they are studying the documents and will take action against named informers and collaborators. they said that their intelligence department knows how to deal with anyone who is found to have helped foreign forces etc

    Karzai said the leaks put Afghan lives in danger.

    That is blowback wikileaks should ha

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    Quote Originally Posted by People Korps View Post
    As I mentioned above the leaks endanger Afghans

    Channel 4 news tonight reports that in an interview today the Taliban told them that they are studying the documents and will take action against named informers and collaborators. they said that their intelligence department knows how to deal with anyone who is found to have helped foreign forces etc

    Karzai said the leaks put Afghan lives in danger.

    That is blowback wikileaks should ha
    The Pentagon made the same point the day the leaks came out.

    The whole business of informing in Afghanistan is as dirty as anywhere- I've heard journalists say a few times that people inform on anyone they have a grudge against, to get them out of the way.

    The way to stop all this is to have the occupying armies get the hell out of there asap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The way to stop all this is to have the occupying armies get the hell out of there asap.
    Maybe this girl would argue with you.
    http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...007238,00.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lapsedmethodist View Post
    Maybe this girl would argue with you.
    http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...007238,00.html
    Disingenuous Lapsed. You know quite well the Taliban would never have come to power without your friends the US and UK's actions.

    They are now getting ready to hand over to the Taliban. So maybe she might argue with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Disingenuous Lapsed. You know quite well the Taliban would never have come to power without your friends the US and UK's actions.

    They are now getting ready to hand over to the Taliban. So maybe she might argue with you.
    They're not my friends and they're not the sole cause of the Taliban. The Taliban existed long before 9/11 and while America undoubtly interfered in the Russian debacle it didn't cause it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lapsedmethodist View Post
    They're not my friends and they're not the sole cause of the Taliban. The Taliban existed long before 9/11 and while America undoubtly interfered in the Russian debacle it didn't cause it.
    Whoever mentioned 9/11. When was it you were in Afghanistan ?

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    I deplore all deaths in this illegal occupation. That said, if I had to weigh things up and decide who was more valuable, those who were and are killed directly because of the informants, or the informants, the informants would weigh in at nothing in my calculations. The US is an occupying force that is not welcomed in Afghanistan and anyone who aids them in their theft and butchery (other than those forced and coerced to do so) have marked their own cards.

    Assange, while not sharing the extremity of my views on this matter has put his thoughts into the equation: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225898273552

    The US was directly responsible for the Taliban coming into power after the defeat of Russia. The Americans didn't want any combination of the leaders of the Northern Alliance (even though the excuse for the current war and occupation eventually settled on supporting the Northern Alliance against the Taliban) to take control of the country.

    As for the treatment of women. This is a red herring argument. Women are still property in Afghanistan. A man may starve a wife who refuses him sex. Glovepuppet Karzai signed this obscenity into law.

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