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    The UK is uring Ireland to build more wind farms, so they can meet climate targets

    reland's unspoiled, windswept west coast could become the focus of a new wave of wind farm construction in the wake of a high-level diplomatic meeting to be held tomorrow in London.

    UK deputy prime minister Nick Clegg, Taoiseach Enda Kenny and other senior members of the British-Irish Council will gather to discuss a plan to expand electricity grid connections throughout the British Isles. In particular, they want to build new inter-connectors to link the electricity grids of Ireland and Britain in order to transmit power from new windfarms in Ireland to England.
    "The west coast of Ireland has some of the fiercest winds in Europe," said Charles Hendry, the UK energy minister, who will be attending the meeting. "They whip in off the Atlantic which makes it is an ideal location for wind farms. However, the Irish market for electricity is less than a tenth of that of Britain. That means that companies cannot afford to build wind farms in Ireland because there is no market for their power. We want to put that right."

    The construction of wind farms in Ireland that would supply power to neighbouring countries could help to put the UK back on track in its use of clean, renewable energy. Britain has recently been criticised for falling short of its targets for constructing wind power plants and for cutting its carbon emissions. Importing clean power could help to resolve the problem.
    "It will be up to the Irish government and the Irish people to decide if they want to build them. This is a voluntary programme and it could bring significant wealth to the country with very little downside."
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ind-power-grid
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    I have few problems with that. if we're the Saudi Arabia of wind energy, let's start charging others for our resources.

    I for one have few problems with the aesthetics of wind turbines.

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    Realistically it makes sense to combine renewable resources across Europe, into northern Africa. As the winds in Ireland abate, the sun in north Africa will shine.

    However the infrastructure will not happen here until the awareness is here and the urgency is appreciated. So do we end up putting in all these wind farms but objecting to the grid to deliver the end product? Generate power and be happy to export it at minimal prices in a european co-op where we are too nimby to benefit? Whose fault is that? I would say a government too immature to wake up and tell the people the reality of the challenges. Too scared they won't be reelected? Who wants to bring the difficult news to the people? Only selfless, community oriented, honest people. That rules out most politicians so......
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    Apparently Laois County Council voted today to ensure that all Eirgrid 400Kv power lines in the county will go underground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe McGillycuddy View Post
    Apparently Laois County Council voted today to ensure that all Eirgrid 400Kv power lines in the county will go underground.
    Which may in turn ensure that they are unaffordable. Arrgghhh

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    Quote Originally Posted by morticia View Post
    Which may in turn ensure that they are unaffordable. Arrgghhh
    As far as I know Council planning departments don't have any say on Eirgrid infrastructure. The planning process bypasses them and goes directly to An Bord Pleanála so this is probably only a gesture to the local electorate.

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    Pat is going to kick this to next year
    THE MINISTER for Energy Pat Rabbitte is to establish an expert international commission to look at the controversial North South electricity interconnector

    Pat Rabbitte said the commission which would look at “the case for, and cost of, undergrounding all or part of the Meath-Tyrone 400KV power lines”. He will finalise the composition of the three-person commission over the next few days.

    The Minister said the group would be required to complete its work by October and report back within six months.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...300157385.html

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    yet more bleeping can kicking. Could some of those involved just develop some cojones and tell the NIMBYs to get bent? Seethe. Undergrounding will cost far more than we can easily afford, which means that to placate the fussy, we'll have to do without a few extra hospital emergency rooms etc.

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    Eirgrid mulling a connector to France now

    NATIONAL grid operator Eirgrid is planning to build a €1bn underwater power line linking Ireland with France.

    The line would be used to export renewable energy to France and import power if required.
    "It would cost somewhere in the region of €1bn," one source said.

    "The French have large obligations to get renewables on to their system and we have better renewable sources. This will allow them to take our wind energy, and use their power."
    http://www.independent.ie/business/e...-29315010.html
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    Rabbitte and Mattie McGrath grandstanding over the North South connecter in the Dail today.. You have to wonder if Mattie sometimes just makes up these down home country boy sayings...
    Minister for Energy Pat Rabbitte and Independent TD Mattie McGrath traded insults of an agricultural nature in a row about electricity lines in a €500 million Eirgrid high-voltage project linking Leinster and Munster.
    Mr McGrath claimed it was the norm in Europe to place power lines underground and questioned why the Government had allowed consideration of pylons to go ahead. The project would damage tourism in the Galtee and Knockmealdown mountains in Tipperary.
    Mr Rabbitte told the Tipperary South TD: “You’re like Katty Barry’s dog, Deputy. You go a bit of the road with everyone.”Mr McGrath claimed that when in opposition, Mr Rabbitte had objected to overhead pylons in a controversial project in Minister of State Fergus O’Dowd’s Louth constituency.
    Mr Rabbitte said: “I never opened my mouth on that one and you’ll have €100 if you can prove to the contrary.”

    He insisted the overhead pylon was still the norm in Europe and it cost 3½ times more to put power lines underground.
    Mr McGrath retorted: “You’re like Mrs Murphy’s cow with two dry tits – one blind tit and a sup of milk in the other tit. That’s all you’re like, Minister. It’s like the promises you make. Who can trust you for anything if you go back and see and maybe count the tits on Mrs Murphy’s cow?”
    Mr Rabbitte replied: “Well, whatever about the tits on Mrs Murphy’s cow, to be honest that contribution, Deputy, is about as useful as tits on a bull.”
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/polit...-row-1.1572461

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    The temperature is rising again on the pylons issue..
    Posted on 12/11/13 by Thomas ByrneFianna Fáil has raised concerns about the appointment of John O’Connor, the former Chairman of An Bord Pleanála, as Chairman of Eirgrid.

    Reacting to the announcement by Minister Pat Rabbitte in the Dáil this afternoon, Fianna Fáil Senator Thomas Byrne said, “We need a guarantee that this will not pose any conflict of interest given Mr O’Connor’s very recent position at the helm of An Bord Pleanála.

    “While there is no doubt that Mr O’Connor is a highly experienced and greatly respected professional, the relationship between Eirgrid and An Bord Pleanála must be absolutely transparent. This is particularly important as Eirgrid seeks approval from An Bord Pleanála for a number of projects concerning the electricity supply.

    "Eirgrid has had substantial engagement with An Bord Pleanála during the period of Mr O'Connor's chairmanship and particularly over the last six years as the North-South Grid project was the subject of an application and consultation with An Bord Pleanála. This high level of engagement will continue in the coming years.
    “There can be no ambiguity over the relationship between Eirgrid and An Bord Pleanála as important decisions are made. I am calling on Minister Rabbitte to explain the process in making this appointment and to clearly state what steps have been taken to guarantee absolute transparency and fairness in all dealings between Eigrid and An Bord Pleanála.”
    http://www.fiannafail.ie/news/entry/10426/

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    Eirgrid is a strange beast. It is we are told an "entirely commercial body" - (the Minister - yesterday, the Dail-FOI debate) but tells us it is a State Body, and therefore would not do us any harm (Eirgrid, RTE Drive time).

    Its plan, Eirgrid25, was launched in 2008 based on boom time projections. Poolbeg 2 coming up in a landscape near you ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe View Post
    The temperature is rising again on the pylons issue..

    http://www.fiannafail.ie/news/entry/10426/
    http://www.businessandfinance.com/in...4&n=406&a=1694

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    Yet the board's policies still continue to raise hackles in rural Ireland. One Roscommon senator, Fine Gael's Frank Feighan, recently said members of An Bord Pleanála are under "questionable influence" and appear to be acting as "Eco Warriors in disguise". The remarks followed ABP's refusal to grant permission for a 100-bedroom hotel and 293 holiday homes at Lough Key.
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    Those pylons aren't going to go away and there's local votes to be cultivated...
    The revolt within Labour surfaced last week when three senators refused to back the Government after Senator Ronan Mullen tabled a motion criticising Eirgrid and the pylon proposal.Significantly, the decision of the Labour senators to abstain in a vote, where the Government won by just 26 votes to 25, came after an ill-tempered 90-minute meeting between Mr Rabbitte and two Labour senators, Denis Landy and John Kelly. A number of sources told the Sunday Independent that "the meeting consisted of an ongoing series of blazing rows".
    "Pat Rabbitte was furious, the tie was loosened, the glasses came off, the blood pressure was high," was one description of the tense meeting.

    After the vote Labour senator and Communications spokesperson John Whelan launched a blistering attack on the policies of his own party colleague at Cabinet saying that he had "no confidence in how Mr Rabbitte is handling his brief".
    http://www.independent.ie/business/i...-29760539.html

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    "Pat Rabbitte was furious, the tie was loosened, the glasses came off, the blood pressure was high,"
    Doubt Pat's heart could take regular meetings like that. He'll be off to Doctor Nick before long if he keeps at it

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