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    Default Ballymurphy Massacre - Families call for inquiry into 11 deaths in 1971 by the Parachute Regiment

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_...d/10340284.stm

    The families of 11 people killed by the Army in 1971 have said they want an independent international investigation into the deaths.
    They were killed by the parachute regiment in west Belfast in August 1971.
    The call followed the Saville report into the Bloody Sunday killings in Londonderry.
    In the 36 hours after the introduction of internment in August 1971 11 people - ten men, including a local priest and a mother of eight children - were killed by the British Army's Parachute Regiment in the Ballymurphy area.
    Why has there been so little mention of these deaths by the Parachute regiment, compared with the victims of Bloody Sunday?
    It is unsurprising, that from seeing the results of the Saville Report, that the families of the people murdered by the Para's in Ballymurphy, would want the same vindication, though how achievable it is, is up for debate, as a result of the Inquiries Act 2005.

    THe fact that the parachute regiment, carried out an attack similar to Bloody Sunday, six months before it, makes a mockery of the Saville finding, that there was no premeditation.

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    Ardoyne, Untold Truth, is a good book, that reveals the full extent of the suffering of the people in Ardoyne, at the hands of the British Army
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    All correct Mutley, except for the premeditated bit. The paras are simply trained to fight. Any resistance will be met with lethal force, but that's not premeditation. They should never have been allowed into an urban setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mutley View Post
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_...d/10340284.stm



    Why has there been so little mention of these deaths by the Parachute regiment, compared with the victims of Bloody Sunday?
    It is unsurprising, that from seeing the results of the Saville Report, that the families of the people murdered by the Para's in Ballymurphy, would want the same vindication, though how achievable it is, is up for debate, as a result of the Inquiries Act 2005.

    THe fact that the parachute regiment, carried out an attack similar to Bloody Sunday, six months before it, makes a mockery of the Saville finding, that there was no premeditation.

    Ardoyne: The Untold Truth Ardoyne Commemoration Project: Amazon.co.uk: Ardoyne Commemoration Project: Books

    Ardoyne, Untold Truth, is a good book, that reveals the full extent of the suffering of the people in Ardoyne, at the hands of the British Army

    http://www.iauc.org/ballymurphy

    I didn't know about this at all, until I read about it on a thread here recently.
    I still haven't found a description of what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lapsedmethodist View Post
    All correct Mutley, except for the premeditated bit. The paras are simply trained to fight. Any resistance will be met with lethal force, but that's not premeditation. They should never have been allowed into an urban setting.
    So perhaps those that sent them into Ballymurphy were guilty of Premeditation?
    Or maybe not, but when those who sent them in, sent them in to Derry, they knew full well, what the reult would be

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    Quote Originally Posted by mutley View Post
    So perhaps those that sent them into Ballymurphy were guilty of Premeditation?
    Or maybe not, but when those who sent them in, sent them in to Derry, they knew full well, what the reult would be
    Indeed they did.

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    The Catholic Bishop of Down and Connor, Dr Noel Treanor, is due to release previously undisclosed church documents which relatives claim will strengthen demands for a public inquiry into the killings of 11 people by British soldiers in west Belfast in August 1971. A Catholic priest and a mother-of-eight were among those killed by the Parachute Regiment in the Ballymurphy area.

    The documents include eyewitness accounts taken two weeks after the killings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lapsedmethodist View Post
    All correct Mutley, except for the premeditated bit. The paras are simply trained to fight. Any resistance will be met with lethal force, but that's not premeditation. They should never have been allowed into an urban setting.
    What kind of resistance could a priest or a mother of several children put up that would require them being shot? I think the Paras were intent, as in Derry, on teaching the natives a lesson, just as they did in Kenya and Aden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    What kind of resistance could a priest or a mother of several children put up that would require them being shot? I think the Paras were intent, as in Derry, on teaching the natives a lesson, just as they did in Kenya and Aden.
    You're assuming that they died as a result of an aimed shot ie that they were selected. You don't know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lapsedmethodist View Post
    You're assuming that they died as a result of an aimed shot ie that they were selected. You don't know that.
    The famous British army 'ricochet - magic bullet theory' First Aiden McAnespie now Ballymurphy. Have you signed up at www.apologycentral.co.uk yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lapsedmethodist View Post
    You're assuming that they died as a result of an aimed shot ie that they were selected. You don't know that.
    An enquiry might answer that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    An enquiry might answer that.
    Might being the operative word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cáthasaigh View Post
    The famous British army 'ricochet - magic bullet theory' First Aiden McAnespie now Ballymurphy. Have you signed up at www.apologycentral.co.uk yet?
    Who believed the story about Aiden McAnespie ? Not even Paisley would have believed that one.
    On the other hand we've been told that Adams deliberately held back a unit from going to the defence of beleaguered people on the grounds that it was good for the cause that they took a battering.
    And shots fired at troops in busy areas were called "teasers ". I don't know what that means myself.

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    What about the forgotten para named Clegg who shot at the back of a young woman's head?? He got promoted to a rank of Sergant (i think?).

    The British are brillant for great cover up's and if it goes well to their plan, they would certainly promote someone who did a great job for them. Remember Birmingham six, Detective in charge got promoted afterwards even though he covered it up. However only for that dogged solicitor named Pierce, who exposed it at the end.

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    Why was this kept so quiet in comparison with Derry ? Was it as simple as that there wasn't film and photography of it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lapsedmethodist View Post
    You're assuming that they died as a result of an aimed shot ie that they were selected. You don't know that.
    Whether they picked their victims off by carefully aimed shots or just wrecklessy, using high velocity automatic rifles, shot up busy streets --the 11 dead where a reasonable expectation under those circumstances. With a Church in the line of fire and it being a residentual area -reasonable for at least 2 of the dead to be a priest or a woman. Still just as atrocious had it all been men or boys.

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