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    Fianna Fail Senator Ivor Callely has been claiming overnight and travel expenses from a property owned by him in west Cork since he was appointed to the Seanad in 2007.

    Intriguingly, the members' services department of the Oireachtas sent the politician a letter on October 2, asking:
    "For the avoidance of doubt and absolute certainty for future auditing purposes, I would be grateful if you would certify in writing that this house in Bantry was 'your normal place of residence.'"
    Significantly, a first hint of uncertainty emerges in the senator's reply, which confirms that Kilcrohane is his
    "normal place of residence for the time being"
    but not normally
    "one's permanent and principal abode at all times".
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    Whats normal place of residency ? And which house under NPPR law did he declare as his second home
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    Whereever his place of residence is geographically in a proper democracy his only place of residence politically should be nowhere after being rejected by the electorate.

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    Can our political representatives claim mileage from anywhere in the world, provided its their principal residence?
    If Callely's logic is taken to its extremity locally, then whats to stop a politican setting up a mobile home/shack on a site as far away from Dublin as is possible by road?
    Are there any laws governing this fiasco or is it left up to our politicans of principle to self-regulate?
    Is there any level some of them won't stoop to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tombombadoodle View Post
    Can our political representatives claim mileage from anywhere in the world, provided its their principal residence?
    If Callely's logic is taken to its extremity locally, then whats to stop a politican setting up a mobile home/shack on a site as far away from Dublin as is possible by road?
    Are there any laws governing this fiasco or is it left up to our politicans of principle to self-regulate?
    Is there any level some of them won't stoop to?
    Dublin-Cork 257km/160mi
    Dublin-Waterford 158km/99mi
    Cork-Galway 209km/130mi
    Dublin-Limerick 198km/124mi
    Dublin-Castlebar 251km/156mi
    Dublin-Belfast 167km/104mi
    Dublin-Sligo 217km/135mi

    Perhaps Dingle
    Dublin Airport to Dingle: 355km / 220mi; around 5 hours.
    Last edited by Andrew49; 30-05-2010 at 01:05 PM. Reason: Dingle
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    Give the poor man a break ,sure hasnt he to support that big house in Clontarf ,i think i will set up a found to give him a dig out...or would that be illegal !!!

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    Is the timeline this?

    Ivor fails to get elected to the Dail

    Ivor "moves" to Cork yet keeps a home and constituency office in Dublin. This, in spite of him no longer hving a constituency to represent.

    Ivor's mate P B Ahern gives him a job in the Senate

    Ivor's expenses make up a lot of the difference in a Senator's salary and a TD's salary.
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    Callely is just brilliant IMHO, he truly is the Alan B'stard of Irish politics, tragedy and comedy in equal measure. Where would we be without his ilk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrylyons View Post
    Give the poor man a break ,sure hasnt he to support that big house in Clontarf ,i think i will set up a found to give him a dig out...or would that be illegal !!!

    Those FFers have big problems keeping all those houses ,like Pee Flynn. And its tough on Ivor the awful having to commute up and down to Bantry several times a week to meet his constituents.
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    This has been going on for a while:
    The Oireachtas had written to him a number of times and in one letter in 2008 the members’ services section sought to clarify “for the avoidance of doubt and for absolute certainty for future audit purposes” that his West Cork address was his “normal place of residence for the time being”.

    The letter defined a normal place of residence as “used for a period of some length and for a purpose which is not ad hoc and goes beyond mere shelter in passage such as a few nights in a hotel”.
    It may now be referred to an Oireachtas committee:
    A spokesman for the Houses of the Oireachtas said they do not comment on individual cases, but if a complaint was made about a member it was referred to the Members’ Interests Committee.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...271504321.html

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    It's another way via the back door of earning few extra bob for himself as this loophole must be closed by law or by means of legalisation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrylyons View Post
    Give the poor man a break ,sure hasnt he to support that big house in Clontarf ,i think i will set up a found to give him a dig out...or would that be illegal !!!
    Indeed and he also has to finance the caravan and VW Beetle he uses to clinic down in Fairview.

    Jaysus. Neck like a jockey's gillhooley's.

    Brian ain't too pleased. I reckon the slithery weasel is going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    Is the timeline this?

    Ivor fails to get elected to the Dail

    Ivor "moves" to Cork yet keeps a home and constituency office in Dublin. This, in spite of him no longer hving a constituency to represent.

    Ivor's mate P B Ahern gives him a job in the Senate

    Ivor's expenses make up a lot of the difference in a Senator's salary and a TD's salary.
    Thats it. Same with Bull O Donoghue when he lost out on Minister, Ceann Comhairle was consolation prize for himself and the missus going all over the world in Gov jet and at our expense. Motto "you can make it up some other way".
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    Cowen is on his case now:
    Taoiseach Brian Cowen has asked Fianna Fáil Senator Ivor Callely to provide a written explanation of his expenses claims.

    Mr Callely, who retains his Dublin home and constituency office in Clontarf, Dublin, claimed just over €81,000 in expenses from December 2007. His home on Sheep’s Head peninsula in West Cork is 370km from Dublin.

    Mr Cowen has not spoken to Mr Callely about the matter but has asked Fianna Fail general secretary Sean Dorgan to instruct the Dublin senator to furnish a full explanation in writing “that will clarify the issue” to the Cathaoirleach of the Seanad Pat Moylan.
    Might be tricky to get hold of him though. Journalists have been unable to contact him since Sunday

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...reaking76.html

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    I hear that Ivor is to make a statement in the Seanad. Cowen called on him to clarify matter. Wonder will he resign, or what will he say. Can Cowen sack him, he was just an Taoiseach nominee of Bertie.
    Cheapest bank bail out, green shoots, we have turned corner,our patriotic duty ,we call in IMF/ECB-Mr Brian Lenihan,Finance Minister

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