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    Default Re: European Elections-Poland, Ireland and wherever else

    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    FF and FG tied on 23% each so far in the locals.

    Not a bad day considering the low turnout of 40-45%. FF and FG should actually lose a few dozen seats and I think Thats a 3% drop on their 2014 vote.

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    Default Re: European Elections-Poland, Ireland and wherever else

    EU wide projections



    Left-wing: GUE/NGL
    52
    49
    3
    Greens/EFA
    50
    63
    13
    Centre-left: S&D
    191
    150
    41
    Unaffiliated (Eurofederalist Volt Europa)
    0
    1
    1
    PSD Romania (now S&D, future affiliation uncertain)
    NaN
    9
    Liberals: ALDE (incl. Macron's Renaissance)
    67
    103
    36
    ALDE Romania (now ALDE, future affiliation uncertain)
    NaN
    2
    Centre-right: EPP
    221
    160
    61
    Fidesz (now EPP, future affiliation uncertain)
    NaN
    12
    National conservative: ECR
    70
    57
    13
    Unaffiliated (Italian M5S and allies)
    0
    26
    26
    Eurosceptic populist: EFDD
    48
    0
    48
    Unaffiliated (British BREXIT)
    0
    28
    28
    Right-wing: ENF/EAPN
    37
    77
    40
    NI (Nazis, Satirists, Communists)
    15
    14
    Seat Change 1

    https://europeelects.eu/ep2019/
    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer

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    Default Re: European Elections-Poland, Ireland and wherever else

    Given that tens of thousands of German Communists walked to the hangman or into Hitlers concentration camps rather than submit to Nazism ... given that the resistance to Nazism in every occupied country in Europe was led by communists, not to mention the resistance to fascism in Italy ... given that it was communists who led the Russian people to break the back of the Hitler's armies and paved the way for victory in World War 2 ... given all that .. the huge sacrifice made by millions of communists ...it is more than a little galling to see some arsewipes in Europe Elects, who have never sacrificed anything in their pampered lives, happily lump in Communists with Nazis.
    Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world has stood up and stopped the bastard, the (female dog) that bore him is in heat again. Bertolt Brecht

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    Oh come now Sam. The reasoning is pretty simple. Both the Nazis and Commies, are fringe groups on the extremes of public discourse. Also rans!
    As a general rule the most successful man in life is the man who has the best information.

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    Default Re: European Elections-Poland, Ireland and wherever else

    That site is a mess and didnt do a country breakdown of actual results. Polico did a better job https://www.politico.eu/2019-european-elections/
    The 'communists' refered to were KKE in Greece, the only significant left party not aligned with the euro-left GUE/NGL (they are the last hardcore 'stalinist' tradition party with MEPs afaik). The doomed SYRIZA being aligned with GUE/NGL having just one of several depressing results , along with Die Linke, the squabbling French left, Podemos , the Czech less hardcore communist KCSM just holding one, the last in Eastern Europe I think (most re-defined social democrat over the years) . Bloco in Portugal gaining at expense of old Communist CDU (just confirming shift from old to new left there I think) , The Belgian Workers party gained their 1st Euro seat in Wallonia (but the Flanders extreme right stole the show) and Denmark gave the 5 parties of the Centre Left Red Block 55% (split among 4 Euro groups)
    For the SocDems it was disastrous in Germany (a historic drop to 3rd behind Greens) and France (confirming the debacle of national elections), but their comeback in Holland (Labour) and even moreso in Spain (PSOE) provided relief, along with continuing Portuguese PS success
    Among also rans Varoufakis Diem related MERA25 just missed out on a seat in Greece, he personally completely flopped in Germany with a fractional vote (and pissed off Die Linke politicians). His allies in France , Hamom's Generation S failed also with about 3% , the Polish Razem made only 1% or so sadly and the Danish Alternative won their only Euro seat .

    Here in Ireland I was sad to see SF losing 2 of their 3. Disagree with them as I do we are weakened (esp with the depressing local results) Independents for Change Daly and Wallace's success (and Mings easy survival) are consolation of course but it failed to translate to local success outside the gain in Swords for Daly's protege Dean Mulligan. She did appear at candidates launches but people did not seem to identify the candidates unfortunately . Being realistic their vote was mostly personal, people liked their strong personalities but went on to vote for god knows who at local level . PBP/Sol also lost several and overall down significantly . A lot of work will need to be done to rebuild the left , life goes on . We had our own Green wave, you have to hope it is more than just token. Personally I continue with no car as always and they havent excited me . For more positive news see the surprising Danish elections
    Last edited by GregTimo; 06-06-2019 at 12:27 PM.

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