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    Surprised no one has started a thread yet. Dont quite know where to start on this topic. The French protests are now in their 4th week with at least 125,000 (Official figure given by state AFAIK) (136,000 protestors mentioned in one paper) just this weekend all over France . The extreme right attempt to hijack these protests have apparently failed and the demands have become more left wing . If anything the whole thing has a strong anarchist feel to it (more in a pissed off people taking to streets sense than actual thought out I think)

    Anyhow to kick off some translated commentary by a Yellow Vest supporter . He could be talking about rural Ireland. I have to say I am surprised at his talk of hungry faces. We obviously have not been properly informed of the extent of the crumbling of the not long ago vaunted French welfare state . And Macron had planned a 20 billion cutting, how much has now been implemented ? (and some already during the 'Socialist' government of Holland) https://jacobinmag.com/2018/12/franc...sterity-macron

    And in French;
    The old communist paper which also has a video of the mass arrests of students near Paris https://www.humanite.fr/quatrieme-sa...-jaunes-664823
    https://www.humanite.fr/arrestation-...hoquent-664808

    Comparing it to a revolution in this online journal associated with the 'dissident communist' Ensemble coalition within Melenchons populist left France Insoumise . Lots of rumblings http://www.regards.fr/societe/articl...e-en-esperance

    the 'anti-capitalist' coalition NPA talks in a similar vein https://npa2009.org/communique/la-re...ron-doit-ceder with more at it's online paper https://npa2009.org/publications-npa/hebdo-semaine

    And a report from a Guardian like paper (rad left tradition but corporate takeover tamed it) mentions 136,000 protestors and 1723 arrests just this weekend https://www.liberation.fr/france/201...samedi_1696776

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    Macron's offer to buy peace will end up moving the French budget deficit above 3%

    Brussels should be as strict with France as they have been with Italy but will they be?


    The promise of more spending and a populist “big-tent” approach will raise eyebrows in other European capitals – especially Rome, which will love Macron’s newfound willingness to bust Brussels-imposed deficit limits. But there’s still a strong chance France will be given the benefit of the doubt by the European Commission and sovereign debt-holders.

    The deficit was due to be close to 3 percent of GDP next year before falling back to below 2 percent; it will probably be about half a percentage point higher now, according to the French press. If that’s the price of protecting Macron’s previous reforms, it’s just about worth it, according to Bank of America-Merrill Lynch economist Gilles Moec.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...premium-europe
    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer

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    Well, latest Liberation item reports on splits in the Gilets Jaune 'ranks' Not surprising, the middle class around here are ambivalent. They don't like Macron but they see no alternative, apart from Ms Le Pen. She could benefit...

    French politics is in flux, much like almost all politics. The old Left/Right is gone, Macron is no substitute. The 'left' leaning i.e. the old working class brought up to date, such as nurses, some teachers, public sector (non ENA graduates), etc., are unrepresented, except by yellow jacket people, who declare themselves to be non political. The result? a flux, many of whom don't vote, feeling it is a waste of time. The second round that voted in Macron had only a 48% turnout. There is no sign of any solid new alternatives.

    As a result, the pols are satisfied, they prefer a situation where only 'our'supporters vote. Macron is playing to them, appearing to be reasonable, but hoping his types will turn out next time.

    The best part? At least 100,000 get out and protest, even incoherently. We could do with that, pro rata, in Ireland. Are wee too lazy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    Well, latest Liberation item reports on splits in the Gilets Jaune 'ranks' Not surprising, the middle class around here are ambivalent. They don't like Macron but they see no alternative, apart from Ms Le Pen. She could benefit...

    French politics is in flux, much like almost all politics. The old Left/Right is gone, Macron is no substitute. The 'left' leaning i.e. the old working class brought up to date, such as nurses, some teachers, public sector (non ENA graduates), etc., are unrepresented, except by yellow jacket people, who declare themselves to be non political. The result? a flux, many of whom don't vote, feeling it is a waste of time. The second round that voted in Macron had only a 48% turnout. There is no sign of any solid new alternatives.

    As a result, the pols are satisfied, they prefer a situation where only 'our'supporters vote. Macron is playing to them, appearing to be reasonable, but hoping his types will turn out next time.

    The best part? At least 100,000 get out and protest, even incoherently. We could do with that, pro rata, in Ireland. Are wee too lazy?
    Proportionately as a percentage of population the Irish water protests were much bigger, and in depth, in terms of tight local networks. Housing is going the same way.

    General dissatisfaction, and no solution, is the name of the game. In the UK Corbyn is hoping to ride on the back of this very confused and volatile wave.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    Ah jaysus, who is going to fix the water system?? We have to fund it.

    I mean serious about protest, we have thousands without accommodation, McVerry is supplying 1000 beds...., the government, how many? We are spending €16Bn on health, almost a million waiting for an appointment, a decision or a treatment....

    We can turn out thousands for abortion after 50 years of trying, grand.

    Where are the people who want a reasonable society for everyone?? The only ones I can see are those people who march every sunday in cork.

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    Yes (as ever) it could go in different directions. Anyhow My summary of Act 8 in France (specifically the 8th Saturday of protests/activity)

    -Google does a fair job of translating these days ; 50,000 'yellow-vest' protesters across France on the 8th Saturday running reports the old communist paper (which usually quotes the interior ministry) https://www.humanite.fr/gilets-jaune...astille-665915

    The NPA (as in nearer to the 'real far left' than Melenchon's Insoumise) linked site (which seems to be the most optimistic minded on the left?) reports on a town by town basis , nearly 10,000 in Toulouse alone it claims , 4600 in Bordeaux (the local authority estimate), and other impressive sounding turnouts in smaller cities/towns . There is some worry about LePen's comeback on the site though , see analysis elsewhere there
    http://www.revolutionpermanente.fr/R...des-agitateurs

    The sort of 'Independent left' coalition (some spent time in NPA but mostly of CP origin I think) now in Melenchons Insoumise (populist left, the strategy designed in part to counter the populist extreme right, specifically LePen-ism) worry more (as usual I think) with their initial excitement about the protests receded by looks (see also the online journal regards.fr associated with personalities within ) ; Danger, LePen ! (27% in a recent opinion poll +7% for the neo-Gaullist Dupont in the face of a fragile to collapsing? old 'centre-right' and weakened left neolib around Macron)
    https://www.ensemble-fdg.org/content...e-penque-faire

    And here we have this somewhat head scratcher. Condemned even by the IRSP as a racist but (as usual) not completely stupid (the named self promoter there has vids circulating of himself in action and doing a sort of Farage thing sat in a pub along with a list of unlikely demands at a 'Yellow Vest' protest here) https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...229&__tn__=C-R
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    Yes, settling down, in French fashion. Today, Macron et al are holding their so-called National Debate including the gilets jaunes 'representatives' but it is not clear who or how they were selected.

    Cynical opinion is that Macron could have initiated the sanctions they announced after last week's troubles, at any time since gilets started. Legislation exists to deal with football hooligans and the like. However, the opinion is that the gov let it rip to discredit the gilets.

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    On weekend 9, the numbers have turned around 'Around 84,000 protesters -- up from 50,000 the previous week'. And if public broadcaster France 24 are admitting it that's good enough for me (maybe they're worried about Macron's cuts too at some level? ) https://www.france24.com/en/20190112...9-yellow-vests

    The traditional left outlets are as usual slow over the weekend , however the NPA linked RP has a detailed report and lots of speculation
    http://www.revolutionpermanente.fr/A...-Gilets-Jaunes
    While the journal associated with some of their former colleagues now in Melenchon's France Insoumise has not yet caught up but showing renewed interest http://www.regards.fr/
    The old communist paper should report later https://www.humanite.fr/

    Here a protest in Belfast was dominated by PBP by sounds https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...in-897180.html
    The one in Dublin sounds a predictable mess (I stayed well away from) https://www.thejournal.ie/yellow-ves...37126-Jan2019/
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    A more detailed report on the Belfast event (for those who can access it). There is concern (as in Dublin) over right wing attempts to exploit it https://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...test-1.3756284

    '... People Before Profit Belfast West MLA Gerry Carroll said people were concerned about the destruction of the NHS, welfare reform and the lack of marriage equality for LGBT couples and women’s reproductive rights. He said in France people had stood up against President Emmanuel Macron “once the darling of the liberal elite” and “so we can take on these issues here”.
    “It sends a powerful message,” he said.
    Mr Carroll believes those on the right wing of politics, who have organised a yellow vest protest in Belfast for next Saturday, must not be allowed to own and exploit the movement.
    “It is important the left is here today,” he said.
    “We are not conceding this ground to the right.” .. '

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    The result, in part, of the 'gilets jaunes' is a set of 'town meetings' where all the different interests are invited. There will be adjudicators present to ensure fairness. They will reports on the process BUT will not summarise them. The 'gov' will do that.

    Interesting, even if the results may be fudged, that Macron feels it necessary to go through the process. Not sure though that much will change as a result. France needs to move on, the old socialist processes cannot survive in a worldwide market.

    There may be some face saving changes in the taxation of the rich, but the future of the 'soft jobs' in the administration are gone.

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