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    Being launched today. Watched some of the live stream, some very good speakers. seems like a combination of Nationalism and right wing economics. One young speaker had a right rant at Karl Marx to great applause. Mind you he did point out that Jean Claud Junker (the drunker) unveiled a statue of Marx, now that does seem bizarre.

    This development shows the folly of almost all the left-wing parties supporting the undemocratic EU Super-state project. They are leaving the door open for the right to articulate peoples objections.

    On a side note, the Worker's Party were afaik the only left wing party in Northern Ireland to support Brexit. Does anyone know if any of the other small Socialist parties supported Brexit?

    Needless to say the Irish Times sneers at the new party : Irexit party founder says ‘dung’ from EU ‘will help us grow’ and they even found the most unflattering picture they could of Ray Bassett ex Irish envoy to Canada who supports the new party and spoke at their conference today.

    Joe.ie has a more balanced report HERE

    From that:

    The party claims that the EU is "fundamentally anti-democratic".
    A new eurosceptic political party advocating for Ireland to leave the European Union – following directly in the footsteps of the UK – is holding a conference in Dublin on Saturday to discuss the possible benefits there would be for Ireland should it chooses to leave the EU.

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    It already seems to have upset the dimwits in the Dublin media. There was an attempt at a hatchet job on the Tonight with the two and a half Dinnies show the other night. They got Eamon Dunphy and two "commentators" from the comics to try their usual trick of nobbling Kelly. Ironically it was Kelly and Ming who came across as having an IQ over room temperature. The Dublin media don't seem to like this party/movement at all because it upsets their groupthink. It also has the capability to get some conservative votes. The part that immigration plays in homelessness is somethig that the media has been trying to lie its way around for the last fifteen years or so and this may find some resonance with voters. It could end up taking some votes away from FF/FG. In some respects, it would not be unlikely to see this party emerge as a PDs 2.0. I don't know if it is Right wing but it certainly will be painted as such by the clueless morons in the Dublin media. The stench of fear from the RTE was almost palpable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    It already seems to have upset the dimwits in the Dublin media. There was an attempt at a hatchet job on the Tonight with the two and a half Dinnies show the other night. They got Eamon Dunphy and two "commentators" from the comics to try their usual trick of nobbling Kelly. Ironically it was Kelly and Ming who came across as having an IQ over room temperature. The Dublin media don't seem to like this party/movement at all because it upsets their groupthink. It also has the capability to get some conservative votes. The part that immigration plays in homelessness is somethig that the media has been trying to lie its way around for the last fifteen years or so and this may find some resonance with voters. It could end up taking some votes away from FF/FG. In some respects, it would not be unlikely to see this party emerge as a PDs 2.0. I don't know if it is Right wing but it certainly will be painted as such by the clueless morons in the Dublin media. The stench of fear from the RTE was almost palpable.

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    That may be so, but why are they allying themselves to the neo-liberal right (if they are). Tactically and strategically there might be more of a space in the 'market' for a left leaning Irexit party, or am I wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    That may be so, but why are they allying themselves to the neo-liberal right (if they are). Tactically and strategically there might be more of a space in the 'market' for a left leaning Irexit party, or am I wrong?
    The fringe Left is a heavily contested area and a great way to instantly lose credibility in the media. The association of the homelessness crisis with unrestricted immigration is a very dangerous thing for FF/FG/SF/lab because it is self-evident. All these immigrants have to be housed and now Irish people are homeless. That's political dynamite that could electorally damage FF/FG/SF/lab. This, more than the whole Irish/EU thing, is why the presstitutes are trying so hard to destroy this party. It may also start to draw votes from across the political spectrum and could even halt SF's advance. I'm not quite sure that it is neo-liberal or even Right wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    The fringe Left is a heavily contested area and a great way to instantly lose credibility in the media. The association of the homelessness crisis with unrestricted immigration is a very dangerous thing for FF/FG/SF/lab because it is self-evident. All these immigrants have to be housed and now Irish people are homeless. That's political dynamite that could electorally damage FF/FG/SF/lab. This, more than the whole Irish/EU thing, is why the presstitutes are trying so hard to destroy this party. It may also start to draw votes from across the political spectrum and could even halt SF's advance. I'm not quite sure that it is neo-liberal or even Right wing.

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    All legitimate points. The homelessness crisis is indeed at least partially associated with the increase in population in turn partially due to mass immigration. Note, that isn't me 'blaming' the immigrants and refugees, but it's just pragmatic commonsense.
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    All legitimate points. The homelessness crisis is indeed at least partially associated with the increase in population in turn partially due to mass immigration. Note, that isn't me 'blaming' the immigrants and refugees, but it's just pragmatic commonsense.
    That's what makes it political dynamite for use against FF/FG/SF/lab. It is commonsense and doesn't require any thinking. The presstitutes in the Dublin media are in real trouble over this because all they can reply with is the usual "racist" chant. These aren't very smart people. That's why they are "commentators". It is also why newspaper sales have fallen by over 50% in the last ten years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    That's what makes it political dynamite for use against FF/FG/SF/lab. It is commonsense and doesn't require any thinking. The presstitutes in the Dublin media are in real trouble over this because all they can reply with is the usual "racist" chant. These aren't very smart people. That's why they are "commentators". It is also why newspaper sales have fallen by over 50% in the last ten years.

    Regards...jmcc
    "It is also why newspaper sales have fallen by over 50% in the last ten years."

    On this point, I think that there are other factors involved. I doubt if the drop in newspaper sales is particularly any higher in Ireland than elsewhere.

    https://www.thoughtshift.co.uk/adapt...al-revolution/


    Did you see the recent media articles regarding AGS investigating money laundering frauds by organised West African gangs setting up fake bank accounts? The tip of a rather large ice-berg.

    If you will permit yourself to read a link from the hated 'presstitute media'

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...-15m-1.3620447

    From the link:

    And it appears much of the money stolen by fraudsters all over the world was sent to the cartel members based in Ireland so they could launder it.
    Tis almost as though we're a soft touch...
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    Hmm! A split in the nationalist camp? This outfit comes along at a most inopportune time for UI supporters, who must be hoping they don't succeed. Now the UI ers will need to stop ridiculing the UK lest they hand free ammunition to Irexit.
    Seems this could be a good fit for jmcc and his libertarian tendencies. I note he says they could take votes away from FF/FG. Has he ever had a political analysis that didn't include some version of that line?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Hmm! A split in the nationalist camp? This outfit comes along at a most inopportune time for UI supporters, who must be hoping they don't succeed. Now the UI ers will need to stop ridiculing the UK lest they hand free ammunition to Irexit.
    Seems this could be a good fit for jmcc and his libertarian tendencies. I note he says they could take votes away from FF/FG. Has he ever had a political analysis that didn't include some version of that line?
    The Irish nationalist cause has always been historically mostly left-wing, and these days probably still is mostly so. However there is possibly indeed a split in the camp. This isn't necessarily anything new, but has become more relevant in recent years with Pegida, the Alt Right and so on.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueshirts
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    "It is also why newspaper sales have fallen by over 50% in the last ten years."

    On this point, I think that there are other factors involved. I doubt if the drop in newspaper sales is particularly any higher in Ireland than elsewhere.

    https://www.thoughtshift.co.uk/adapt...al-revolution/
    It is not a good analysis. Basically what happened in the 1990s was that there was a shift away from more expensive reporting towards commentary. It meant that newspapers were cheaper to run. However, the WWW was developing and in 2003, Google launched Adsense which allowed site owners to make money from content. Up to that point advertising had been run of the site kind of advertising where the advertiser paid for adverts regardless of the number of times they were clicked. With Adsense, advertisers only paid for adverts that were clicked. It completely changed the model in that advertisers now had instant feedback on which ads worked and which didn't. Newspapers, with their static advertising model were screwed. The WWW also showed how much newspapers depended on wire services and press releases because the same reports and recycled press releases were available all over the web. As for "commentators", most are just another ******* with an opinion and the web is full of opinions. Even their opinions are not unique. That just leaves reporting. It is expensive and requires smarter people than the average "commentator".


    Did you see the recent media articles regarding AGS investigating money laundering frauds by organised West African gangs setting up fake bank accounts? The tip of a rather large ice-berg.
    Yep. But the media won't point out the source of the problem because they are largely complicit. Compared to the immigration/homelessness link, it is not of the same political magnitude.

    Regards...jmcc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Hmm! A split in the nationalist camp? This outfit comes along at a most inopportune time for UI supporters, who must be hoping they don't succeed. Now the UI ers will need to stop ridiculing the UK lest they hand free ammunition to Irexit.
    Seems this could be a good fit for jmcc and his libertarian tendencies. I note he says they could take votes away from FF/FG. Has he ever had a political analysis that didn't include some version of that line?
    Oh look. Bob The Spammer is back waffling about stuff. Guess the P.iesters put him in his place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post

    Yep. But the media won't point out the source of the problem because they are largely complicit. Compared to the immigration/homelessness link, it is not of the same political magnitude.

    Regards...jmcc

    What in your view is the source of the problem? And which problem are we talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    The Irish nationalist cause has always been historically mostly left-wing, and these days probably still is mostly so.
    That's a dangerous mistake. What happens is that there is a Left wing element to the initial moves but it is when the Middle Classes get behind the moment that things change. It wasn't until the Middle Classes were screwed over with Home Rule that Independence became viable. Pearse was initally a Home Rule supporter. Connolly was always Left wing and he was remarkably prescient in his comment about retaining arms.

    However there is possibly indeed a split in the camp. This isn't necessarily anything new, but has become more relevant in recent years with Pegida, the Alt Right and so on.
    Pegida/Alt-Right/AfD/SD etc. They've all been villified by the media and pro-EU propagandists. Merkel was so stupid that she created AfD as a political force and it went on to get about 90 seats in the German Parliament. UKIP had been similarly denigrated in the UK but Brexit happened. Italy now has a nightmare government for the EU. The elections in Sweden later today are going to damage the EU as well. This is what happens when a bunch of unelected parasites in Brussels decide that they, rather than the EU people, should decide what happens in the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    What in your view is the source of the problem? And which problem are we talking about?
    Unrestricted immigration and its link to homelessness. It is basic supply and demand. As for the bogus asylum seeker stuff which was largely supported by the media, the money laundering aspect is a logical outcome. There's the legal immigration from other EU countries and there's also the illegal/bogus asylum seeker immigration. Both of these types of immigration require housing and other services. The 2004 citizenship referndum limited a lot of the bogus asylum seeking and it wasn't as significant a problem compared to the scale of unrestricted immigration from the EU accession states. Germany had, from what I remeber, decided against allowing this immigration for a few years.

    The inbred morons in FF/PDs decided to open Ireland to unrestricted EU immigration so that they could fill their properties with tenants (look at how many of these politicians are landlords) and the building of social housing was downgraded. Cheap EU money with interest rates favourable to the German economy rather than the Irish economy kicked the country into an economic bubble. It was only pure luck that these politicians and banksters weren't hanging from lampposts after the bubble burst.

    Regards...jmcc
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    Quote Originally Posted by eamo View Post
    Being launched today. Watched some of the live stream, some very good speakers. seems like a combination of Nationalism and right wing economics. One young speaker had a right rant at Karl Marx to great applause. Mind you he did point out that Jean Claud Junker (the drunker) unveiled a statue of Marx, now that does seem bizarre.

    This development shows the folly of almost all the left-wing parties supporting the undemocratic EU Super-state project. They are leaving the door open for the right to articulate peoples objections.

    On a side note, the Worker's Party were afaik the only left wing party in Northern Ireland to support Brexit. Does anyone know if any of the other small Socialist parties supported Brexit?

    Needless to say the Irish Times sneers at the new party : Irexit party founder says ‘dung’ from EU ‘will help us grow’ and they even found the most unflattering picture they could of Ray Bassett ex Irish envoy to Canada who supports the new party and spoke at their conference today.

    Joe.ie has a more balanced report HERE

    From that:
    I believe the Communist Party did.

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