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    The ludicrously situated sex offenders clinic which was arrogantly imposed on the people of Sallynoggin has been occupied by the local group "Sallynoggin Concerned Community". Well done them. More details can be found on the Lampposts thread.

    Here is the statment from the group announcing the action:

    Statement:
    Our group Sallynoggin Concerned community has tonight taken a 3 story building at 10a church place, Sallynoggin. We have been forced to take direct action to keep our community safe from sexual preditors. The landlord Paul Murphy, Dr Patrick Randall and the Garda have collaborated to secretly setup a sex offenders clinic without planning permission, without community consent in the heart of our community with schools, colleges and creches within meters.

    Dr Patrick Randall has continuously lied to our community since we have engaged with him in July. We picketed and took direct action to force the closure of the clinic and on the 16th of July Randall backed up by 30 garda cut our community locks, and evacuated 2 lorry loads of client files and told us he was moving out. We removed our picket, in good faith, to facilitate his unhindered departure. On the 16th of July in a recorded conversation Randall backtracked, telling us he intended to stay at 10a, to apply for planning permission etc, that he had a 10 year lease that he could not get out of with landlord Paul Murphy of Killiney.
    Again we were forced to escalate our direct action, applying locks to to keep him out and his clinic closed, and further, to our action today, taking the building to put it to good use as Sallynoggin social center, a safe space, to organise and to support our community.
    We refuse to beg or plead with the state, the council, the cops or ALL the politicians who have failed our community. We have empowered ourselves to take direct action and to solve of own problems and to provide a positive solutions.
    We thanks comrades for leaving the door open to facilitate our occupation, solidarity, we have caused no damage to this building and have no intent to create damage, this a peaceful occupation.

    Friday the 17th August 2018
    Sallynoggin social center

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    I agree that the location is, to put it delicately, sub-optimal, and the Dr. shouldn't have signed a lease until he had planning in the bag, but the protestors are poorly served by issuing a statement that includes the sentence.....

    We refuse to beg or plead with the state, the council, the cops or ALL the politicians who have failed our community
    If planning is granted and they end up in court, they could easily lose because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    I agree that the location is, to put it delicately, sub-optimal, and the Dr. shouldn't have signed a lease until he had planning in the bag, but the protestors are poorly served by issuing a statement that includes the sentence.....



    If planning is granted and they end up in court, they could easily lose because of it.

    Well......sub-optimal is a VERY polite way of putting it. What the hell was he thinking!

    With regard to the planning permission aspect. I don't think Dr. Randall originally had any intention to apply for planning permission. Maybe he did not know it was necessary or maybe he was given a "nod and wink" by someone in authority to go ahead without permission so as not to draw attention to the stupid venture.
    It is only now when according to himself he cannot back out of a 10 year lease that he is looking for planning permission which will almost certainly be denied.
    He is between a rock and a very sharp and hard place.

    I wonder was he walked into this situation by some smart-alec. If so his his best option is to make common cause with the locals. The Concerned Community people have offered to make representation to the land-lord. They could make it clear that a sex offenders clinic will not open on his property. If s/he has any sense they will withdraw from the agreement with Dr. Randall and look for another tenant. Then the matter would be forgotten and the new tenant would have local good will.

    Remember when Stringfellows tried to open a lap dancing place on Parnell St. The people of nearby Dominic St. led by the mothers shut the place down after only 5 months. This despite the Stringfellows organisation saying they were there to stay.

    Here is a link to the story: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/stri...onths-1.790354

    Now if the locals could rightfully close down Stringfellows who really thinks Dr Randalls Ridiculous Emporium would last. FFS! Just think....how many perverts are going to run the gauntlet of local mothers to attend there weekly chat with Dr Randall.

    Gods sake Doctor......give it up and work with the locals to try and get some good out of this fiasco. They are actually quite a reasonable bunch.

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    98fm did a piece on the occupation this morning.

    Here is a link to the podcast:

    https://www.98fm.com/podcasts/Dublin..._Taking_Action

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    I think we need to be careful with this stuff.

    There is a risk of encouraging vigilantism. There have been recent cases in the UK where allegations made against high profile figures, while initially taken seriously by the police, have now been refuted. We have also seen cases of people being attacked just because they bore a physical resemblance to sex offenders.

    From what I can see regarding a search on Dr Patrick Randall on the net, he seems to be a respected psychologist. Eamo, I question your choice of language above with your use of phrases like 'stupid venture', 'Dr Randall's Ridiculous Emporium', etc. Is rehabilitating sex offenders not a good thing, in the public interest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    I think we need to be careful with this stuff.

    There is a risk of encouraging vigilantism. There have been recent cases in the UK where allegations made against high profile figures, while initially taken seriously by the police, have now been refuted. We have also seen cases of people being attacked just because they bore a physical resemblance to sex offenders.

    From what I can see regarding a search on Dr Patrick Randall on the net, he seems to be a respected psychologist. Eamo, I question your choice of language above with your use of phrases like 'stupid venture', 'Dr Randall's Ridiculous Emporium', etc. Is rehabilitating sex offenders not a good thing, in the public interest?
    You are right. "Stupid venture" was a silly thing to say. It is the location which is stupid, the venture which is, I presume, designed to stop re-offending is very honorable and not stupid in any way.
    The "Dr. Randalls's Ridiculous Emporium" thing was an attempt to bring a little humor to the situation. It was a take off of "DR.Querkeys Good Time Emporium" on O'Connells St. YEA...I know..not funny at all, but God I thought it was hilarious last night. You know Hemingway's advice about how it is fine to write drunk, but always be sure to edit sober, well I can tell you it is bloody good advice

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    Ah ok fair enough. I agree the location is totally unsuitable given there are a lot of kids and families in the area.
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    Eamo, you should be ashamed of yourself. You know full well that I am waaay too young to remember anything to do with Stringfellows, or anything else that happened in the aughties.


    I'll play devil's advocate for a moment. Agree with Pluralist's concern over vigilantism. This is not the same as protesting drug dealers engaged in illegal activity. It could be argued here that the protestors are depriving people of needed healthcare. No known illegal activity has yet taken place, and it should be easier to "police" the facility.
    School and facility schedules are well known. A couple of "boys in blue" on patrol can likely keep matters under control.



    Is the facility connected to, or feeding off, the National Rehabilitation Center on Rochestown Ave? Does the doc also work at the NRC?
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    All fair points, Count Bob.

    Not sure if this facility is connected to the NRC, if so the choice of location might make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Eamo, you should be ashamed of yourself. You know full well that I am waaay too young to remember anything to do with Stringfellows, or anything else that happened in the aughties.


    I'll play devil's advocate for a moment. Agree with Pluralist's concern over vigilantism. This is not the same as protesting drug dealers engaged in illegal activity. It could be argued here that the protestors are depriving people of needed healthcare. No known illegal activity has yet taken place, and it should be easier to "police" the facility.
    School and facility schedules are well known. A couple of "boys in blue" on patrol can likely keep matters under control.



    Is the facility connected to, or feeding off, the National Rehabilitation Center on Rochestown Ave? Does the doc also work at the NRC?
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    All fair points, Count Bob.

    Not sure if this facility is connected to the NRC, if so the choice of location might make sense.
    The National Rehabilitation Hospital on nearby Rochestown Ave does not treat sex offenders. It treats people with spinal and other debilitating injuries. Also stroke rehabilitation. It is undergoing a major extension at present.

    A more suitable place might be found in the part of Sandyford Industrial estate near the Luas line and away from any schools.
    Or, the St. John Of God brothers have a very secluded and discreet place with land on Burton Hall Rd. Sandyford ind. est. beside the Luas and bus routs and again well away from any schools.

    Dr Randall had a clinic somewhere around Dunlaoghaire and/or Shankill before attempting to move into Sallynoggin. Maybe by coincidence and maybe not there were several attacks on women in the area including one at the Dart station in Shankill. These were reported in the papers and for a while the Gardaí increased patrols to try and stop them.

    The authorities would promise the sun moon and stars if they wanted this clinic in Sallynoggin. Cops on every corner and patrols around the clock.
    People are not so foolish as to believe them.
    The clinic will not be allowed to be set up in its present location, that is for sure. Dr. Randall and the land-lord should sit down with the locals and see what solutions can be found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eamo View Post
    The National Rehabilitation Hospital on nearby Rochestown Ave does not treat sex offenders. It treats people with spinal and other debilitating injuries. Also stroke rehabilitation. It is undergoing a major extension at present.

    A more suitable place might be found in the part of Sandyford Industrial estate near the Luas line and away from any schools.
    Or, the St. John Of God brothers have a very secluded and discreet place with land on Burton Hall Rd. Sandyford ind. est. beside the Luas and bus routs and again well away from any schools.

    Dr Randall had a clinic somewhere around Dunlaoghaire and/or Shankill before attempting to move into Sallynoggin. Maybe by coincidence and maybe not there were several attacks on women in the area including one at the Dart station in Shankill. These were reported in the papers and for a while the Gardaí increased patrols to try and stop them.

    The authorities would promise the sun moon and stars if they wanted this clinic in Sallynoggin. Cops on every corner and patrols around the clock.
    People are not so foolish as to believe them.
    The clinic will not be allowed to be set up in its present location, that is for sure. Dr. Randall and the land-lord should sit down with the locals and see what solutions can be found.
    Thanks for adding context eamo, it always helps. John O' God's seems like a good fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Thanks for adding context eamo, it always helps. John O' God's seems like a good fit.
    It does indeed seem ideal. The St John Of Gods Burton Hall Campus contain administration offices but also, crucially, some mental health services.

    It is believed the lease on 10a Church Place Sallynoggin is 1,000 euro a week. The good Brothers could put that to better use supplying their excellent mental health services to adults, children and young people.

    From their web site(Lucena is part of St. John O'Gods :


    Psychiatry Department
    Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
    Lucena Clinic Services have 10 Consultant Psychiatrists across the 5 Lucena Clinics in Dublin and Wicklow.


    Each Consultant leads a team of specialists made up of several different disciplines. Child Psychiatrists are medically qualified doctors who have specialised in working in mental health with young people. Their expertise lies in understanding and working with children who have mental health difficulties. Child Psychiatrists can diagnose specific mental illnesses and advise on treatment options. They also have training in pharmacology and are able to prescribe medication when appropriate.
    An approach should be made to see if that is a possible alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eamo View Post
    A more suitable place might be found in the part of Sandyford Industrial estate near the Luas line and away from any schools.
    Or, the St. John Of God brothers have a very secluded and discreet place with land on Burton Hall Rd. Sandyford ind. est. beside the Luas and bus routs and again well away from any schools.
    There's a primary school in Balally, no more than a 20 minute walk (if even that) from the centre of the industrial estate. Which demonstrates the problem with finding suitable locations for such facilities, in urban areas there is always going to be a school somewhere nearby. The second suggestion, the land near Burton Hall Rd, might make sense.
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    A while ago three local women met Dr Randall and one of his staff. The discussion was very civil. To be fair he seems like a reasonable person who means well and should have been forewarned by the Leasing company and land lord about the unsuitability of the premises for the purpose proposed. As I have said before, it seems to me that Dr Randall might have been walked into this mess. Maybe there were not any other takers for the building. He seems like he is in a bind now having signed the 10 year lease. At one point in the interview he says he would pass on the lease if that were possible.
    The Land lord and letting agency with their local knowledge have as much responsibility, maybe more, for this mess. They are managing to keep a very low profile.


    Here is the interview in 3 parts:


    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1980...7466904582179/

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    Quote Originally Posted by eamo View Post
    A while ago three local women met Dr Randall and one of his staff. The discussion was very civil. To be fair he seems like a reasonable person who means well and should have been forewarned by the Leasing company and land lord about the unsuitability of the premises for the purpose proposed. As I have said before, it seems to me that Dr Randall might have been walked into this mess. Maybe there were not any other takers for the building. He seems like he is in a bind now having signed the 10 year lease. At one point in the interview he says he would pass on the lease if that were possible.
    The Land lord and letting agency with their local knowledge have as much responsibility, maybe more, for this mess. They are managing to keep a very low profile.


    Here is the interview in 3 parts:


    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1980...7466904582179/
    eamo, your sleuthing skills may be needed. He says he operated a similar facility at 4 Haddington Terrace DL, near a school, for nine years without complaint and with full knowledge of Gardai.
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