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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    That was a very small promise to break in fairness when you compare it with the typical politicians.

    And he is an intelligent man with a positive worldview-and he's not corrupt. Look who the alternatives are for Christ's sake-Sean Gallagher AGAIN no doubt emboldened by his 2nd place finish last time and the half-a-million mucksavages who voted for him despite his obvious corrupt past, and Gerard Craughwell, a contrarian nobody with nothing to offer.
    jmcc is still furious that 5G got exposed as a brown-envelope-snorting FFailure by Martin McGuinness last time round. He's been constantly gurning about it for the last 7 years

    It was all a sinister Labour/RTE/Communist/Shinner conspiracy to steal the election from the noble sainted Seanie in jmcc's world

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    "Businessman" Gavin Duffy has stated he is seeking to contest the Presidential Election and to secure his nomination from councils.

    Irish Times reports this morning that he is a strong supporter of blood sports including fox hunting. Hopefully this barbarian is appropriately condemned.

    He claims to be above, and not of, politics. His stroke in offering councillors free tickets to his expensive seminar earlier this month suggests otherwise.

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    Sinn Fein have announced their nomination process and will select the candidate from those nominated in September.

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    Quote Originally Posted by homer View Post
    1. MDH did say he would only seek one term. Should keep his word.

    2. Even without that promise his current age is a negative factor.

    3. His adulation of Castro worried me
    Why did this statement 'worry' you?

    Fairly accurate assessment imo.

    Statement by President Michael D. Higgins on the death of Fidel Castro
    "I have learned with great sadness of the death of Fidel Castro, founder of modern Cuba, and its Prime Minister from 1959 to 1976, as well as its President from 1976 to 2008.

    Following the revolution in 1959, Fidel Castro brought significant political and social change to his country, overcoming not just the regime of General Fulgencio Batista but also the economic isolation forced upon Cuba in the years that followed.

    Having survived some 600 attempts on his life, Fidel Castro, known to his peers in Cuba as ‘El Comandante’, became one of the longest serving Heads of State in the world, guiding the country through a remarkable process of social and political change, advocating a development path that was unique and determinedly independent.

    Cuba achieved 100% literacy many years ago and built up a health system that is one the most admired in the world. With economic growth rates similar to many other Latin American countries, inequality and poverty are much less pronounced in Cuba than in surrounding nations.

    His Governments faced not only issues of Development but also the consequences of an embargo imposed by Cuba’s largest neighbour, the United States, which was a regular topic for discussion at the United Nations and which was criticised by a large number of countries in the international community.

    The economic and social reforms introduced were at the price of a restriction of civil society, which brought its critics.

    Fidel Castro was of a generation of leaders that sought to offer an alternative global economic and social order. He was President of the Non Aligned Movement and a leading figure in international gatherings that sought a more equal world of trade, rejected odious debt and sought an independent path to development.

    He advanced such ideas, for example, at such events as the Tri Continental Conference in 1966. And he would continue with this theme which informed his speech, for example, at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development in Rio in 1992. He was speaking of how it was possible to eliminate global hunger and of the enormous burden that international debt was placing on impoverished nations. Expected to give a lengthy speech, his very short statement ended with the phrase: ‘Let us pay the debt to humanity, not the debt to the banks.’

    The restoration of diplomatic relations with the United States in 2014 and the visit of Pope Francis, and the response to it, have been ushering in a new period in Cuba’s history, one which seeks to retain the achievements of a social kind with greater freedoms in the civil society.

    Fidel Castro will be remembered as a giant among global leaders whose view was not only one of freedom for his people but for all of the oppressed and excluded peoples on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    jmcc is still furious that 5G got exposed as a brown-envelope-snorting FFailure by Martin McGuinness last time round. He's been constantly gurning about it for the last 7 years

    It was all a sinister Labour/RTE/Communist/Shinner conspiracy to steal the election from the noble sainted Seanie in jmcc's world


    Little doubt 5G is in it for the monies and expenses he will get paid but also for the monies he will make by abusing the Office of President, he knows no better than living off the State, for example charging fees to gain grants, his own personal business was all about grants, he is a true FFer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    jmcc is still furious that 5G got exposed as a brown-envelope-snorting FFailure by Martin McGuinness last time round. He's been constantly gurning about it for the last 7 years
    While you only have a truculent teenager's appreciation of Irish politics, you don't seem to realise that what happened to Gallagher was a stitch-up and it could happen to any candidate. Gallagher was only one of the victims. Norris was also nobbled twice. But this interference with an election probably doesn't mean anything to you. But to people who believe in Democracy, it is quite important.

    It was all a sinister Labour/RTE/Communist/Shinner conspiracy to steal the election from the noble sainted Seanie in jmcc's world
    The audience was stuffed with "friends" and was not representative of the electorate. One of the staff on the show was identified as the daughter of a Labour councillor and had been a member of the Labour party. The method by which audience members was selected was criticised. Questions were written for the people in the audience asking questions. Higgins was protected from any serious questions while other candidates received multiple questions. There were official enquiries and BAI upheld complaints. The reports, if you had bothered to even read them, detailed all this and more. Some of the key people did not have their contracts with RTE renewed. The Frontline show was cancelled. Pat Kenny is no longer with RTE. And RTE had to settle the court case with Gallagher. As part of the apology, RTE acknowledged that its behaviour fell short of the standards required by law. But in your world, all this never happened.

    There's either a Democracy or there isn't. It is obvious that you, in your acceptance of rigging elections, are no different from the FF/PDs and their bankster/developer cronies in that you not only want rigged elections but actually applaud them.

    Regards...jmcc
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    While you only have a truculent teenager's appreciation of Irish politics, you don't seem to realise that what happened to Gallagher was a stitch-up and it could happen to any candidate. Gallagher was only one of the victims. Norris was also nobbled twice. But this interference with an election probably doesn't mean anything to you. But to people who believe in Democracy, it is quite important.

    The audience was stuffed with "friends" and was not representative of the electorate. One of the staff on the show was identified as the daughter of a Labour councillor and had been a member of the Labour party. The method by which audience members was selected was criticised. Questions were written for the people in the audience asking questions. Higgins was protected from any serious questions while other candidates received multiple questions. There were official enquiries and BAI upheld complaints. The reports, if you had bothered to even read them, detailed all this and more. Some of the key people did not have their contracts with RTE renewed. The Frontline show was cancelled. Pat Kenny is no longer with RTE. And RTE had to settle the court case with Gallagher. As part of the apology, RTE acknowledged that its behaviour fell short of the standards required by law. But in your world, all this never happened.

    There's either a Democracy or there isn't. It is obvious that you, in your acceptance of rigging elections, are no different from the FF/PD and their bankster/developer cronies in that you not only want rigged elections but actually applaud them.

    Regards...jmcc



    I find it funny how by your logic Michael D's changing his mind on running again is a 'question of honour not being upheld' but Gallagher lied about collecting money then under pressure he contradicted himself and backtracked, even out of context of the original allegations!! and because one tweet or the RTE staff disregarded some procedures thereabouts, Michael D somehow has less honour/integrity than Seanie??? Can anybody honestly say with any confidence Sean Gallagher is a more honest man??

    You are right that RTE favoured Higgins and that he is the establishment's candidate once again. Nobody can doubt that Norris was also the victim of a smear campaign. In that context was it a fair election? Martin McGuinness was also filleted by Vincent Browne who took the easy ride on that occasion in bringing up the RA but he got a very good result all the same, coming a respectable 3rd. You have a point about the process alright though in this case there really was no smoke without fire.

    The point that people are making is all of the candidates so far, including Gallagher again possibly or else his mate Gavin from Dragons Den, are pitiful, and a lot of them of dubious ability/character. The President has a duty to understand the Bunreacht and defend it from the passing of unconstitutional laws and this requires a functional intellect and an ability to manouevre a bit at times of controversy. Michael D is probably a bit more educated on the law than the bagmen businessmen types or random chatterbox pundits.

    There really has not been a better candidate offered up so far. Eamon O Cuiv is the closest thing so far to a real challenger who actually understands the law, the Bunreacht/constitution and the role of a Head of State, and that is onl;y cos the alternatives are all so dreadful, many of them mouthing off for months to make sure we bother holding a vote but unwilling to put their money where there mouths are. It is arguably a pointless election and RTE and establishment tactics aside, we were lucky to be spared the likes of Gallagher in 2011. He may have been stitched up in some respects but he let slip some info on his previous employment with FF.

    Gallagher is known to have been a bagman despite RTEs tactics and Norris is known to have given Clemency to a person of dubious character who was convicted of a sexual offence. Both of them would not be the right people for the job, though at least Norris was honest about his own mistake, which shows he at least has some integrity unlike Gallagher who is a complete shady type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    I find it funny how by your logic Michael D's changing his mind on running again is a 'question of honour not being upheld' but Gallagher lied about collecting money and because one tweet or the RTE staff disregarded some procedures thereabouts, Michael D somehow has less honour/integrity than Seanie??? Can anybody honestly say with any confidence Sean Gallagher is a more honest man??
    Gallagher didn't seem to lie. He tried to tell the truth.

    Higgins made the "one term" thing a central element of his campaign. There's even an RTE clip with him saying it. It is a matter of honour. Higgins' word cannot be trusted.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0915/135602-higginsmd/




    You are right that RTE favoured Higgins and that he is the establishment's candidate once again. Nobody can doubt that Norris was also the victim of a smear campaign. In that context was it a fair election? Martin McGuinness was also filleted by Vincent Browne who took the easy ride on that occasion in bringing up the RA but he got a very good result all the same, coming a respectable 3rd. You have a point about the process alright though in this case there really was no smoke without fire.
    Higgins was hobbling about after injuring his knee and RTE ensured that this was not shown in coverage. Higgins also has a serious tremor in one of his hands. This was not shown. Basically, Higgins was RTE's candidate. Miriam O'Callaghan also decided to follow the party line with McGuinness but she should have stuck to light entertainment as she was completely out of her depth with politics.

    The point that people are making is all of the candidates so far, including Gallagher again possibly or else his mate Gavin from Dragons Den, are pitiful, and a lot of them of dubious ability/character. The President has a duty to understand the Bunreacht and defend it from the passing of unconstitutional laws and this requires a functional intellect and an ability to manouevre a bit at times of controversy. Michael D is probably a bit more educated on the law than the bagmen businessmen types or random chatterbox pundits.
    Joan Freeman, the founder of Pieta House seems like a good candidate. Higgins is a pseudo-intellectual spoofer who spent most of his life with his snout in the public trough. Business people have to deal with legal issues. And if some constututional issue arises, there are legal advisors available.

    There really has not been a better candidate offered up so far. Eamon O Cuiv is the closest thing so far to a real challenger
    Not sure if you've seen the headlines about an FF councillor proposing the O'Cuiv should be FF's candidate and asking other councillors to nominate him. It wouldn't surprise me to see him on the ballot paper and possibly winning. Micheal Martin would also be history if O'Cuiv does get nominated.

    Gallagher is known to have been a bagman despite RTEs tactics and Norris is known to have given Clemency to a person of dubious character who was convicted of a sexual offence. Both of them would not be the right people for the job, though at least Norris was honest about his own mistake, which shows he at least has some integrity unlike Gallagher who is a complete shady type.
    The thing about democracy is that the people should decide who wins. McGuinness's result in the 2011 election scared the crap out of FF/FG/Lab. In the 2014 LEs and 2016 GE, Labour was obliterated. Labour, moreso than any other party, needs Higgins to win as it may not have any TDs after the next GE. He is the proof that Labour is still a party. The gombeens in FF and FG decided to use the "My Little Crony" strategy to force a coronation of Higgins without an election (officially to save money but both are scared of SF gaining in the next GE) but that failed with Craughwell announcing and then SF announcing that it would select a candidate. Norris wrote a letter on Seanad notepaper advocating clemency rather than granted it.

    Regards...jmcc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    but Gallagher lied about collecting money then under pressure he contradicted himself and backtracked,
    He didn't and if you can't even get the very basics right, what value the rest of your opinion?

    It doesn't bother you that a deliberate & dishonest attempt was made to discredit a candidate in a democratic election, led by that great flagship of honest electioneering, SF and helped in this case by our national broadcaster.

    Fair enough then, but please, get off your horse while you on the one hand laud the great Mickey D. and on the other dismiss blatant manipulation of a democratic election.

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    Dana was also the victim of a smear campaign in 2011. And she was the last candidate on earth I personally would have voted for.
    "If you go far enough to either extreme of the political spectrum, Communist or fascist, you'll find hard-eyed men with guns who believe that anybody who doesn't think as they do should be incarcerated or exterminated. " - Jim Garrison, Former DA, New Orleans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    Dana was also the victim of a smear campaign in 2011. And she was the last candidate on earth I personally would have voted for.
    Fair enough but having a person in the Aras who thinka she could have legally refused to sign laws without enacting supreme court judgments woulsve been pretty dopey. Elections are never truly free. Ive seen 4 elections in the Irish media sinxe Ive come of age. Anti SF propaganda is easily the biggest sign of a govt controlled media. I havent always voted SF but thats just obvious.

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    From an IT report on his pitch to Waterford council. The bit in bold requires examination.

    Businessman and Dragons’ Den television star Gavin Duffy told the meeting that recent opinion polls showed that the people want a presidential election. He said he has been “an advocate against ageism” for years and he had “no difficulty” with President Michael D Higgins going forward for the position again. “What I do believe is that, if he’s successful, he should return to the Áras with a mandate.”

    One of the issues he highlighted was youth unemployment and he spoke about how Waterford, was an unemployment black spot. “If a president is coming to Waterford and visiting those initiatives that are addressing youth unemployment in general, but particularly youth unemployment, the Government mandarins, mainly based in Dublin, have to sit up and do something about it. Because I’ll be back and keep returning until something is done about an issue like youth unemployment.”

    Mr Duffy’s membership of the Ward Union Hunt in Co Meath has been under scrutiny lately and he addressed this issue by saying that, while he doesn’t himself hunt with the Ward Union Hunt, he “stepped into the breach” when there were moves some year ago to have it banned. “The Ward Union Hunt are the keepers of the indigenous red deer here in Ireland.” In response to questions from Cllr Eamon Quinlan (FF) on any relationship or otherwise with Nama developers or Anglo Irish Bank, he said: “I can absolutely assuredly say I have never advised a Nama developer in any type of way in terms of press relations.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonys View Post
    He didn't and if you can't even get the very basics right, what value the rest of your opinion?

    It doesn't bother you that a deliberate & dishonest attempt was made to discredit a candidate in a democratic election, led by that great flagship of honest electioneering, SF and helped in this case by our national broadcaster.

    Fair enough then, but please, get off your horse while you on the one hand laud the great Mickey D. and on the other dismiss blatant manipulation of a democratic election.


    RTE and SF did us all a favour by discrediting 5G who was only in it for the money, his business was in ruins and future cashflows (grants) in jeopardy, he would have screwed the taxpayer royally used the Office like a Royal Seal of Approval and be a danger to democracy with the powers the Office holds. 5G had a chance the next day to disprove all and he failed miserably, the conman had no clothes.

    Can just imagine him holding promos and conventions up on the lawns of the Aras, advising people on how to wire up their houses and he will get them grants to do it.

    The book he has out at the moment is a collection of Press Releases from various companies around Ireland who use his endorsement column in the Sindo as free advertising space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley 2 View Post
    RTE and SF did us all a favour by discrediting 5G
    Ladies & gentlemen, please observe the lower end of the FG democratic mind in motion.

    Quite a sight, isn't it?

    You never lost it Stanley.
    Whether you ever had anything worth keeping in the first place is another question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonys View Post
    Ladies & gentlemen, please observe the lower end of the FG democratic mind in motion.

    Quite a sight, isn't it?

    You never lost it Stanley.
    Whether you ever had anything worth keeping in the first place is another question.


    Tis hard for an FFer to face the truth, it is an unusual experience for them.

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