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    ELection date : Sunday September 9th

    Despite some reversal of historic Social welfare cuts over the past year , the Swedish September election may show another populist extreme right shocker in the form of the seemingly unstoppable advance of the Sweden Democrats . There is 3 months to go to turn things round https://sverigesradio.se/sida/grupps...54&grupp=25815

    Thats based on the big SCB poll, most other recent polls listed here show worse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...election,_2018

    The good news, too little too late, or just too late to sink in ? Or are crime and immigration really overshadowing that in people's minds to such a large extent? https://www.government.se/articles/2...-five-minutes/

    More clues here, SocDem leader Lofven who's caricatured as an old style Sossie (socialist blockhead or something like that) did badly in a TV debate . Lofven is hard to figure, but said to be a reluctant leader and compromise 'centrist' choice within the Social Democrat party. It's surprising that he could not take advantage of the increase in Social Welfare spending under his government . Sad that Swedes are as cranky/fickle (as in easily conned by disinfo) as anyone else these days if this is really as it seems . Of course his own party's swing right in the 90s is partly to blame (defacto Blairite before Blair) , but that is a complicated story
    https://www.thelocal.se/tag/2018+election
    Last edited by GregTimo; 09-06-2018 at 03:47 PM.

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    I dont wish to add to the crowing of the extreme right trolls over at P.ie so I'll post this here as a warning to my fellow left social democrats (aka democratic socialists to populist leftists) Sweden fans (past and present) to prepare for the worst. The latest opinion poll in Sweden puts the populist extreme right at it's highest ever support 29% (YouGov Sweden usually gives them a higher estimate than any other pollster , however most pollsters underestimated them at the last election) . In Swedish (google translates it well enough)
    https://www.metro.se/artikel/sd-%C3%...3%A4ra-ett-val

    We have 11 weeks to go to hope the SocDem-Green governments cuts reversals and the good economy undo some of the long term damage caused by neo-liberalism in Sweden (in part unfortunately started by the Social Democrats themselves in the 90s redefinition) . Now that thelocal.se is going behind a paywall Radio Sweden has the best remaining coverage in English https://sverigesradio.se/radiosweden

    A note of hope is that the extreme right 'True Finns' (PS) support dropped after going in the government in Finland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...election,_2019

    Denmark is more complicated with the populist extreme right DPP (O) peaked only after joining the governing coalition but outside the actual government . There is now an even more extreme right party I am told (not figuring in the wiki polls thankfully) along with a more neo-liberal tax-cutting party (Liberal Alliance/I) . The centre-left + left opposition 'Red' block are leading a long time but the SocDems have swung right on immigration and left on social welfare it is said
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...neral_election
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    A super cringer unfortunately . The stats check out in the election wikis (see bottom) I can only hope Sweden's version of alt-right nerdness is peaking too soon and the actual result will see them contained somewhat . 2 months to go
    https://www.politico.eu/article/swed...eral-election/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...election,_2018
    https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...i_Sverige_2018

    And not any more cheerful .
    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture...y-ungovernable
    A firmer long term vision is suggested versus looking to the past too much . This will take time to swing around of course, which is problematic too https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-one-you-think
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    So tomorrow's the day? Will it be as damaging for the current government as people expect?

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    Yes, voting today

    One of the latest pollls





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    too close to call apparently

    The first exit poll from Sweden's SVT is out, and while it has been deemed "too close to call", the initial results may present a headache for Sweden's establishment - and Brussels - as they show Sweden's four-party opposition with 39.6% of the vote, while the red-green block of government parties including the Social Democrats and Green and their Left Party ally, just behind, with 39.4% of the vote, a remarkable if expected decline from the 2014 election.




    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...too-close-call
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    Messy. A dead heat between old left and right blocs , populist extreme right Sweden Democrats gain, but less than feared . Social Democrats though it's their worse result in memory did better than any poll suggested . Their Green partners relative worse losers just scraped it , the semi attached Left party gained but only to 8% ish . Final result depends on 300,000 overseas and postal votes and wont be known until Wednesday . https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artike...rtikel=7039578
    Full results (contingent on those 300K votes) https://valresultat.svt.se/2018/10000.html (just hit translate on Chrome or go to Google translate for translation of party names)
    And head spinning speculation on this blog https://www.thelocal.se/20180909/liv...eden-2018-vote

    It's not the 'end of the world as we know it', but it likely requires the continuance of a pragmatic response from the leftside to defend the base in the globalist age IMO. Denmark already has it's populist extreme right DPP (won 21% at last election) supporting a 'Centre Right' government (The Venstre/Liberal party on it's own). The DPP has since dropped a bit and the centre-left/left of centre 'Red block' has regained it's majority in poll after poll . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_D...neral_election
    IMO this is in good part due to strong campaigning against 'social dumping' (the exploitation of migrant workers to undercut working conditions; witness Ryanair's debacle/retreat from Denmark after being boycotted by Copenhagen city council). The Swedish leftside is a bit behind the curve on this esp considering the cuts to long term social welfare which are worse than Denmark (the generous unemployment benefit only lasts 11 months, then (AFAIK) it's means tested pittance and constant harassment, workfare, etc)
    http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?...intPageId=4816 The social services are good again following renewed investment under the SocDems-Greens but the social transfers not so good due to lots of cutting since the 90s is what our own TASC reckons
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    So 82% didn't vote for the far right.
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    If it only it were that simple . We now have an over-riding problem everywhere, NEO-LIBERALISM (sorry to shout) . Eg Sweden has long had a housing crisis because the government fobbed off social house building to local bodies (as well as the cuts problem) . The whole spectrum moved too far right on the axis of social rights while becoming more 'liberal' on individual rights . Much of the old 'extreme left' has morphed into a sort of 'left social democracy' like the Swedish Left party, die Linke , Podemos and so on to fill the gap left behind by the corruption/out of touchness of 'social democracy' (eg Irish Labour and Swedish socdems, German SPD)., while an ultra left continues to dream of the collapse of capitalism (unfortunately there is no on/off button and economic down-turns do not lead to it's replacement because that would take huge effort). The Chinese and Vietnamese Communist parties have also been corrupted in their own sort of Blair-ism so this is not a problem specific to 'social democracy' unfortunately (and the Italian CP long collapsed, the main French one now a minor party, etc). In Ireland because we never had big left parties outside our collapsed Labour party, we are running around in big time cognisant dissonance as neo-liberal gloabalisation has changed the whole world beyond recognition, so we have strange beasts like PBP-Solidarity in between ultra-leftism and reformism, left independents who define themselves against those parties they left whether Labour, SF or PBP-Sol(in a fast changing world, not wise). I'm in the Irish Social Democrats myself as the nearest thing to UK Labour under Corbyn, but I think we need a much broader movement as I think SF are going to do another Labour and leave us facing our own extreme right, but I hope I'm wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregTimo View Post
    If it only it were that simple . We now have an over-riding problem everywhere, NEO-LIBERALISM (sorry to shout) . Eg Sweden has long had a housing crisis because the government fobbed off social house building to local bodies (as well as the cuts problem) . The whole spectrum moved too far right on the axis of social rights while becoming more 'liberal' on individual rights . Much of the old 'extreme left' has morphed into a sort of 'left social democracy' like the Swedish Left party, die Linke , Podemos and so on to fill the gap left behind by the corruption/out of touchness of 'social democracy' (eg Irish Labour and Swedish socdems, German SPD)., while an ultra left continues to dream of the collapse of capitalism (unfortunately there is no on/off button and economic down-turns do not lead to it's replacement because that would take huge effort). The Chinese and Vietnamese Communist parties have also been corrupted in their own sort of Blair-ism so this is not a problem specific to 'social democracy' unfortunately (and the Italian CP long collapsed, the main French one now a minor party, etc). In Ireland because we never had big left parties outside our collapsed Labour party, we are running around in big time cognisant dissonance as neo-liberal gloabalisation has changed the whole world beyond recognition, so we have strange beasts like PBP-Solidarity in between ultra-leftism and reformism, left independents who define themselves against those parties they left whether Labour, SF or PBP-Sol(in a fast changing world, not wise). I'm in the Irish Social Democrats myself as the nearest thing to UK Labour under Corbyn, but I think we need a much broader movement as I think SF are going to do another Labour and leave us facing our own extreme right, but I hope I'm wrong
    I'm actually thinking of voting SD myself next time out, but the local candidate really doesn't have much prospect of being elected. Sarah Jane Hennelly.
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    Fair dues Anyhow quite a detailed analysis in this chat between Iranian born Swedish Left party MP Ali Esbati and the presenter . Decades of Neo-liberal consensus between Social Democrats and Centre Right the basic cause .

    https://therealnews.com/stories/far-...european-trend

    A question to be asked is why his own (now defacto left social democrat/populist left) party was unable to sustain it's own high of 12% back in 98 , though it is now in the ascendant again
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedis...election,_2018
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Party_(Sweden)

    And something reminiscent of Ireland, the rise of local issue groups in local elections https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artike...rtikel=7040856 This also happened in Gothenburg the 2nd city https://valresultat.svt.se/2018/31480.html

    And also reminiscent of Ireland is Malmo's Rosengård district crime and atomisation problems sounding a lot like parts of the Inner City or our Dublin suburbs . Neo-liberalism, it effects are world widehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/p06jc8t4
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