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    I thinking counting is just about finished but official results are elusive . Some musing and links

    A hung parliament. Renzi's (outgoing gov) Democratic Party dropped worse than expected to 19% (the LEU split off made only 3.5%, and the hard left PaP just over 1% says public broadcaster RAI below).
    A relative win for the all over the place populist 5 star/M5S who did better than expected and won over 30% . However the right wing coalition now dominated by the populist extreme right Lega was the leading coalition at about 37% (Lega's 18% within that is a major advance for them sadly) . Comparing wikis the DP dropped 6% , the Lega gained 14% and M5S gained 7% , Berlsuconis's party dropping about 8% . LEU might be compared to the SEL about the same, The hard left PAP dropped by 1% from the previous coalition Civic Revolution with 2% . They might have been seen as a wasted vote , but it is dismal for them . M5S are said to have many former left voters despite it's dodgy agenda
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ung-parliament

    A cynic might say let the populists govern somehow . Even the DP were proposing deportations and the Lega more . There is not much hope in the situation right now unless 5star transform into a new 'center left' and ally with the DP . That might just be putting off Lega's moment though and 5star are said to have capitalised on anti-immigrant feeling also anyhow.
    All that remains of a clear left may be PaP , well below the 3% need to get into parliament . The dissident center left LEU will be the only leftish voice in parliament , though the part communist originated DP may turn back left, who knows ?
    http://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/art...tml?refresh_ce

    The Guardian confuses with it's coverage I'm afraid . https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...-election-live
    Renzi's DP led coalition won the 2013 election with only about 30% of the vote (25 for the DP only), . The electoral system has been change back to more proportional in the last compromise between right and 'centre-left' blocs
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia...election,_2013
    the 40% they are referring to came in Renzi's honeymoon in 2014 when the DP had a good year in regional and local elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia...lections,_2014
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    The author is a historian of old Left parties and outdoes my bleak take on the Italian elections unfortunately . M5S took the old left constituency but does not offer any hope , he says, concluding
    'As one old Marxist once put it: the old is dying, and something superficially different but not all that new has been born. May other things be born, and soon.'
    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/03/i...vement-fascism

    The current debacle has been a long time in the making , recounted here
    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/02/i...ione-comunista

    The M5S promise of a €780 per month basic income is likely a big draw in their further advance (they were already the biggest single party in votes) . It's old style social liberalism to social democracy for Italians only http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/05/news...tar/index.html
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    As I've been saying for some years on here, Europe is shifting right. It has been so gradual that the Left has been like frogs in a pan of slowly warming water. This is a wakeup call to Brussels but it looks like Drunken Juncker and co are just not listening.

    Regards...jmcc

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    As I've been saying for some years on here, Europe is shifting right. It has been so gradual that the Left has been like frogs in a pan of slowly warming water. This is a wakeup call to Brussels but it looks like Drunken Juncker and co are just not listening.

    Regards...jmcc
    Well I noticed and I'm sure others , though there is a problem with wishful thinking esp here . On the left publications like Jacobinmag.org (gone very heavy) and Die Linke's paper Neues Deutschland have woken up to an extent (with the latter they debate stuff within the German Left party, with it's very disparate views ). Some in the EU apparatus are waking up too, witness the moves on tax evasion and the latest to clamp down on another corporate racket ISDS . The demise of Renzi should remind Macron especially of his own possible fate

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    no knowing what will happen here

    Well, as of this moment, a coalition government between the anti-establishment 5-Star Movement and right-wing League party is no longer not only likely, but appears to be a virtual certainty after the two political forces reached an agreement on a government program, one which was catalyzed by Sylvio Berlusconi's blessing late last week, greenlighting what may be the biggest shock in European politics since Brexit



    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ent-government
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