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    Default Democratic Party Left

    The latest upbeat Story https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/11/l...tion-socialist

    Birmingham, Alabama goes 'pink'
    http://inthesetimes.com/article/2060...-sanders-south

    A bit quibbling , yes Bernie is helping but the work is being done on the ground;
    https://newrepublic.com/article/1452...elections-left

    This story is almost mystifying. Now why would Bernie do this considering the above ? No chance, these guys are running on last year's agenda . And just the fact they are seemingly desperately trying to hold onto Bernies name shows they are way behind the people in the DSA and those like Woodfin the new Birmmingham mayor . Maybe you can have both at the same time, but Bernie adding his name to a going on far left outfit, now come on
    http://therealnews.com/t2/story:2044...or-A-New-Party

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregTimo View Post
    The latest upbeat Story https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/11/l...tion-socialist

    Birmingham, Alabama goes 'pink'
    http://inthesetimes.com/article/2060...-sanders-south

    A bit quibbling , yes Bernie is helping but the work is being done on the ground;
    https://newrepublic.com/article/1452...elections-left

    This story is almost mystifying. Now why would Bernie do this considering the above ? No chance, these guys are running on last year's agenda . And just the fact they are seemingly desperately trying to hold onto Bernies name shows they are way behind the people in the DSA and those like Woodfin the new Birmmingham mayor . Maybe you can have both at the same time, but Bernie adding his name to a going on far left outfit, now come on
    http://therealnews.com/t2/story:2044...or-A-New-Party
    Another Left wing party will only take support away from the Dems, much like the Tea party took support from the Republican party, either way it will only lead to even more polarization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by breeal View Post
    Another Left wing party will only take support away from the Dems, much like the Tea party took support from the Republican party, either way it will only lead to even more polarization.
    That's what I was inclined to thinking. The Green party's Stein seemed out of touch to me even last year . The DSA strategy seems wiser

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    Then perhaps there will just have to be more polarisation, particularly if the Dems refuse a meanigful role for democratic socialists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardbouvet View Post
    Then perhaps there will just have to be more polarisation, particularly if the Dems refuse a meanigful role for democratic socialists.
    Is that not a bit of a zero sum game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardbouvet View Post
    Then perhaps there will just have to be more polarisation, particularly if the Dems refuse a meanigful role for democratic socialists.
    Well remember the failure of the attempt to create a new 'broad left' party in the UK and the seeming death spiral of old left parties across Europe (happend Trotskism too in France). Only new-ish fuzzy formations like Die Linke or Podemos and france Insoumise have done ok, but they havent been able to overturn the old yet (excepting Syriza being crushed so far). Re-invigorating an old very broad left party like British Labour is best if at all possible. It's just the reality in these days of de-politicisation and fake news . The re-politicisation associated with Bernie, Corbyn and Podemos (and maybe even NZ Labour if we're lucky?) are only relative things and involve a big level of fuzz as yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregTimo View Post
    Only new-ish fuzzy formations like Die Linke or Podemos and france Insoumise have done ok, but they havent been able to overturn the old yet (excepting Syriza being crushed so far).
    There are various odd iterations like the ex-Maoist parties in Holland (Socialist party now stagnated) and Belgium (just taking off in past few years ) and others like the Danish broad to far left Red Greens (but that has a long tradition there in an older populist left SPP and is stuck in a corner) . There is no one formula as yet and there is not likely to be one of course

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