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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ojections-show

    Not quite as bad as feared is one summation maybe .
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austri...election,_2017

    The Conservative OVP People's party pulled a stunt with their new young leader it seems and topped the poll. The SPO/social democrats held their own on a bad result last time but slid into 3rd place (it now looks) . They may be relieved to go into opposition. The populist to extreme right FPO Freedom Party had a good result passing the Social Democrats (provisionally) to make 2nd party for the 1st time . Not good, but they've been in in government twice before. And this is where it gets very odd, 1st time in 1983 with the SPO they were in a liberal phase . Reverting to extreme right populism they became a major party in the 00s and coalesced with the OVP 2000-06 . The party comes from a strange 'national liberal' tradition that allied with the Nazis in the 30s . Austria having not been as de-nazified as Germany (I recall reading somewhere) allowed the rebirth of this mass populist extreme right to happen sooner than the AFD thru this fuzzy tradition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Party_of_Austria

    The Greens were the biggest losers after splitting. Lamer than the Social Democrats might be a desciption . An Austrian 'Communist party' actually dropped support after having some local success to dissappear back into electoral dust. Let's pray for an Austrian Corbyn to take over the SPO .

    The outcome is not certain yet as many postal votes are to be counted today http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8001266.html

    Again Austria has been in this dilemna before as a chance find reminds . The acclaimed director Hanecke mentioned is actually German born, but Austrian raised .
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/200...ria.cannes2001
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    Appears to explain the history of the FPO phenonomum quite well ;

    'Austria[edit]
    In Austria-Hungary the Constitutional Party was the main representative of national liberalism.[6] In Austria, national liberalism has remained the basis of one of the three Lager, or ideological camps, in the country, dating back to the Revolutions of 1848 in the Austrian Empire.[31] During the interwar period, the national-liberal camp was gathered into the Greater German People's Party.[32] By 1938, with the Anschluss of Austria into Nazi Germany, the national-liberal camp had been swallowed whole by Austrian National Socialism and all other parties were eventually absorbed into Nazi totalitarianism.[33] Both Socialists and Christian Socials were persecuted under the Nazi regime, and the national-liberal camp was scarred after the war due to guilt by association with National Socialism.[33]

    In 1949 the Federation of Independents (VdU) was founded as a national-liberal alternative to the main Austrian parties.[34] It incorporated an array of political movements, including free-market liberals, populists, former Nazis and German nationalists, all of whom had been unable to join either of the two main parties.[34][35][36] The VdU evolved into the Freedom Party of Austria (FPÖ) in 1955–56.[37][38][39] When Jörg Haider was chosen as new FPÖ leader in 1986, the party started an ideological turn towards right-wing populism, which resulted in the split of most liberals, who formed the Liberal Forum (LiF), which took over the FPÖ's membership in the Liberal International and would later eventually merge into NEOS. Haider himself would split from the party and form the Alliance for the Future of Austria in 2005.'

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_liberalism

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    Considerable analysis from Germany's Die Linke's paper who are clearly worried, https://www.neues-deutschland.de/tag/%C3%96sterreich
    though there is an almost weary to languid tone coming through the translator here in this article about the Austrian Social Democrats prevarications https://www.neues-deutschland.de/art...anzleramt.html

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    Heavy read, I think he has it about right? https://jacobinmag.com/2017/10/austr...ight-elections

    And I could only get a third of the way on thru his piece on 1st attempt on the headwrecker FPO (party which morphed from populist extreme right to 'liberal' then back again ) https://jacobinmag.com/2015/12/austr...azi-right-wing
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    Looks like Austria has a right wing coalition.

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    They seem to be doing a good job of protecting heritage while remaining in the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    Looks like Austria has a right wing coalition.

    Regards...jmcc
    A nationalist coalition with 40% of the Govt. made up of the pure hard right FPOE, the Post-War successor to the old Austrian Nazi Party.

    This will create a new power block in Europe. Nationalist Austria allied with other Nationalist countries like Poland, Hungary and to a lesser extent, The Czech Republic(I think Czech Nationalism is a lot less Nationalist).

    I am not sure that much has changed though Germany will now be less powerful than before. Merkel is likely to agree either a minority govt or some sort of coalition with the SPD AGAIN as both of them fear a new election and losing more votes to the AFD, FDP Liberals and the Greens.

    A less powerful Merkel though would on paper make for a more powerful France(not good for us either-French Presidents and German Chancellors are never really good for anyone else in fairness) and more powerful small nation States. Ireland together with Holland, Denmark, and other non-far right governed small countries ought to have a bit more leverage now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    Ireland together with Holland, Denmark, and other non-far right governed small countries ought to have a bit more leverage now.
    I doubt this. There is very little sympathy in Holland or Denmark for the multi-cultural 'let's be nice to the Islamists' policies that all current mainstream politicians in Ireland pay lip service to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    I doubt this. There is very little sympathy in Holland or Denmark for the multi-cultural 'let's be nice to the Islamists' policies that all current mainstream politicians in Ireland pay lip service to.
    I wasn't talking about that issue, but about Brexit and other issues on which we may need support.

    Irish parties being less racist than other countries parties is unlikely to be brought up much I would think. Irish politicians care little enough about the Refugee crisis to voice an opinion anyways so it's hardly going to create diplomatic friction as long as we don't start moralising to other nations.

    That is one issue I am happy enough we pay lip service to rather than whip up fear among the public over an almost non-existent threat among a small subset of hundreds of thousands of refugees. Do you think our politicians and the media should whip up fear and cause a panic like the British, German, French, Austrian and Polish media does?

    Whipping up fear and causing public alarm is about the most disgusting thing a politician or press outlet can do and we are lucky enough to have escaped that to date.

    In the meantime sending a boat to the Mediterranean and taking in a few thousand people a year isn't going to bankrupt us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    I wasn't talking about that issue, but about Brexit and other issues on which we may need support.

    Irish parties being less racist than other countries parties is unlikely to be brought up much I would think. Irish politicians care little enough about the Refugee crisis to voice an opinion anyways so it's hardly going to create diplomatic friction as long as we don't start moralising to other nations.

    That is one issue I am happy enough we pay lip service to rather than whip up fear among the public over an almost non-existent threat among a small subset of hundreds of thousands of refugees. Do you think our politicians and the media should whip up fear and cause a panic like the British, German, French, Austrian and Polish media does?

    Whipping up fear and causing public alarm is about the most disgusting thing a politician or press outlet can do and we are lucky enough to have escaped that to date.

    In the meantime sending a boat to the Mediterranean and taking in a few thousand people a year isn't going to bankrupt us.
    Points taken.
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