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    Default A "Czech Trump" set to win election

    I have read several reports of a "Czech version of Donald Trump" who is tipped to be the next PM.


    A "politically incorrect" billionaire businessman opposed to further EU integration is on track to become the next prime minister of the Czech Republic.

    Andrej Babis, a Slovak-born former finance minister who has been sharply critical of German Chancellor Angela Merkel's open-door migration policy, is leading the polls ahead of general elections, set for October 20.

    Babis's anti-establishment party ANO (which stands for "Action of Dissatisfied Citizens" and is also the Czech word for "yes") is centrist, technocratic and pro-business. ANO, which rejects political labels, has attracted voters from both left and right, pulling support away from the established parties. Babis has said that ANO aims to replace left and right with "common sense."
    A recent poll shows that support for ANO has grown to 30.9%, while the support for the Czech Social Democrats has dropped to 13.1%. The pro-Russian Communist Party of Bohemia and Moravia has 11.1%; the nationalist Civic Democratic Party 9.1%. TOP 09, the only openly pro-EU party, will not pass the 5% barrier of entry into Parliament; it is supported by only 4.4% of Czech voters.
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1...is-czech-trump
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    There's a charge of Corruption against him

    Prosecutors alleged that in 2007 Babis excluded a farm south of Prague, called the Stork Nest, from his sprawling Agrofest holding company to gain 2 million euros ($2.29 million) in subsidies intended for small businesses.
    Ownership of the farm was returned in 2014 to Agrofest, which comprises chemicals and food operations – after a five-year compliance period.
    Also investigating is the EU's anti-corruption agency, Olaf.
    No crime, claims Babis
    During seven hours of debate in parliament Wednesday, Babis said he could not see any crime, adding: "I see a different thing – I see elections.”
    "If I weren't a politician, nobody would investigate the Stork Nest, " said the Slovak-born 63-year-old.
    Leading Social Democrat candidate and foreign minister Lubomir Zaoralek accused Babis of "moaning".
    Opposition conservative and ex-finance minister Miroslav Kalousek said: "None of us acquired 50 million [Czech] Crowns that were intended for small enterprises."
    Babis ended up backing the motion himself, saying he wanted to clear his name.The rest of his ANO caucus did not take part in the vote.
    http://www.dw.com/en/czech-parliamen...ges/a-40389085
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    Default Re: A "Czech Trump" about to seize power

    Don't know nuthin bout the guy, but if he wins the election legitimately, then the phrase in thread title "Seize Power" is probably not appropriate.


    If he does win, it'll also be fun to see if the internet conspiracists ignore the fact that Melania Trump is Slovenian, not Slovakian.
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    Default Re: A "Czech Trump" about to seize power

    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Don't know nuthin bout the guy, but if he wins the election legitimately, then the phrase in thread title "Seize Power" is probably not appropriate.


    If he does win, it'll also be fun to see if the internet conspiracists ignore the fact that Melania Trump is Slovenian, not Slovakian.
    point taken. Seize changed to win.
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    Default Re: A "Czech Trump" set to win election

    Interesting, was looking up a little about Czech to see what way it had gone since I was there just after the Fall of Communism.

    It was a poor and dodgy place then, black market etc. They now seem to have a decent economy going, I hope that things there don't go pear-shaped.

    They've a nice little population of 10 million which gives them a bit of critical mass compared to a lot of the smaller EU states.

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    Another victory for Fianna Fail (to Fine Gael by local standards) ? ANO are already in the government with the Social Democrats ironically . Depressing to see yet another East European country apparently moving further right (even the 'Communists' are struggling to maintain their oddly high support) but I suspect the 'Social Democrats' to be very lame ? At least it is not as bad as Hungary yet I guess , but AFAIK Czech has an all but no refugee policy already though the leftside are probably marginally more liberal ?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_...election,_2017
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...election,_2017

    June this year :
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...gees-1.3114112
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    Quote Originally Posted by GregTimo View Post
    Another victory for Fianna Fail (to Fine Gael by local standards) ? ANO are already in the government with the Social Democrats ironically . Depressing to see yet another East European country apparently moving further right (even the 'Communists' are struggling to maintain their oddly high support) but I suspect the 'Social Democrats' to be very lame ? At least it is not as bad as Hungary yet I guess , but AFAIK Czech has an all but no refugee policy already though the leftside are probably marginally more liberal ?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_...election,_2017
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...election,_2017

    June this year :
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...gees-1.3114112
    If things had worked out differently I would have settled down in Prague, as it is I know more about the Polish language, a little about Poland and I sometimes tune into Polish politics as I can read the papers a bit in Polish now and I can easily enough understand radio/tv broadcasts when I come across them. After two years here I still wonder if it was the right choice, but while Prague has a great economy it also has a pretty bad housing shortage due to the much higher number of foreigners there. Only about 6-7% of people in Krakow are foreign afaik(about twice the national average). There's no doubting this language is more useful than Czech too.

    The Czech Republic is probably the only former Eastern Block country with any leftwing base at all anymore. That the KSC party has scored up to 15% and even second place in some elections is incredible but people forget the Czechs elected the Communists(in part) after World war two-maybe the industrial base there often times lended itself to spawning a leftwing constituency. In contrast, The Polish Social Democrats died a number of years back largely due to corruption scandals. Ironically the most stable and reforming Polish govt. was the 1995-1999 one dominated by former Socialist technocrats which was pretty leftish by local standards. Austria's elections are a bit more worrying than the Czech ones I think.

    I can't say I agree with 'accepting white Ukrainian refugees' 'but not arab/black refugees' especially given the huge labour shortages in Poland and the Czech Republic(there are a number of European and African as well as Indian and even some Arab immigrants in Polish and Czech cities-IMMIGRATION IS ENCOURAGED but Refugees are not. Who knows if the politicians really care-it just wins them votes to play on people's fears. Look at the Smolensk conspiracy for example. Smoke and mirrors is all it is, while doing the opposite of what big brother Germany next door does. Meanwhile middle income economies, especially Poland, actively encourage FDI and immigration to fill up those very middle income jobs. There seems to be a perception that immigration is somehow illegal here. It isn't There just isn't a refugee programme. My guess from what I saw in Prague is things work similarly enough there.

    Poland has a legitimate point that it has actually accepted a few million Ukrainians, but not all of them were actually refugees fleeing a warzone.

    A lot of it may come down to Czechs and Poles actually believing that while things are a bit chaotic elsewhere, they have never had it so good, at least economically. Kind of devoid of any economic logic that argument, but it sells, and voter turnout being at record lows last time out here helped. I wonder what the turnout is in Czech elections.

    I definitely think there are categories of discrimination levels and certain parts of Austria are far worse than Poland or the Czech republic in this regard. At least Poles and Czechs will not so openly and arrogantly display their hang-ups, fears and attitudes.

    The whole boogeymonster argument is kind of self-defeating though for two economies in desperate need of foreign labour, from a purely economic point of view at least, but try telling people that.

    Has anyone ever considered the fact that most people everywhere just happen to be a little bit ignorant and rightwing? It is a bit of a fortunate accident that Ireland happens to be somewhere in the Centre and not really racist at all. Most countries have ignorance in abundance, but they vote for it, where as our voters are happy with minority governments, coalitions and casual electoral bribery. But Irish people aren't perfect either. Think of how many people you know who hate travelers and Roma.

    I am also not as aware of all of Czech history during the ancien regime, but Poland's Socialist regime was pretty popular until the late sixties. Once the economy went into meltdown they had twenty years of inflation, bloody strikes, and rationing until eventually everyone had to queue for everything. Imagine a country that remembers world war two living conditions less than 30 years ago and you can see why what they believe Socialism to be isn't actually so popular. Maybe the Czechs didn't have it so bad compared to the Poles after 1970 as they developed more rapidly and the Communists still have a sizeable base.
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    And win he did

    Populist billionaire Andrej Babis and his ANO movement decisively won the Czech Republic's election on Saturday in a vote that shifted the country to the right.
    The results paved the way for the Eurosceptic to lead the country, as w ith votes from 99.6% of all polling stations counted by the Czech Statistics Office, ANO had 29.7%.

    According to the results, the opposition conservative Civic Democrats came in a distant second, with 11.3% of the vote, the strongest mainstream party.

    The Social Democrats, the senior party in the outgoing government that won the 2013 election, had only 7.7% of the vote.
    The Pirate Party won seats for the first time, coming in third with 10.8% of the vote while the most radical anti-migration, anti-Muslim, anti-EU party, the Freedom and Direct Democracy, was in fourth place with 10.7%.

    ANO is united with most other Czech parties in rejecting the EU's quota system on redistributing refugees.

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news...-36248983.html
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    And win he did

    Populist billionaire Andrej Babis and his ANO movement decisively won the Czech Republic's election on Saturday in a vote that shifted the country to the right.
    The results paved the way for the Eurosceptic to lead the country, as w ith votes from 99.6% of all polling stations counted by the Czech Statistics Office, ANO had 29.7%.

    According to the results, the opposition conservative Civic Democrats came in a distant second, with 11.3% of the vote, the strongest mainstream party.

    The Social Democrats, the senior party in the outgoing government that won the 2013 election, had only 7.7% of the vote.
    The Pirate Party won seats for the first time, coming in third with 10.8% of the vote while the most radical anti-migration, anti-Muslim, anti-EU party, the Freedom and Direct Democracy, was in fourth place with 10.7%.

    ANO is united with most other Czech parties in rejecting the EU's quota system on redistributing refugees.

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news...-36248983.html
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    Default Re: A "Czech Trump" set to win election

    I mentioned here a few years ago in a discussion with Fluffy that Europe was moving to the Right in political terms. Like frogs in a slowly heating pan of water, the Left did not seem to realise what was happening as it was, at the time, becoming obsessed with Identity Politics. AfD had been dismissed as some kind of abberation and was not expected to get any seats in the German parliament. The Austrian presidential election was celebrated by the Left as a defeat of the Right but in reality, it was a defeat for the Left that allowed the Right to consolidate. The "defeat" of Wilders' party in Holland was similarly celebrated and it was not really a defeat. Merkel is turning into Germany's May in terms of political bumbling. It would be funny if it was not so serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    I mentioned here a few years ago in a discussion with Fluffy that Europe was moving to the Right in political terms. Like frogs in a slowly heating pan of water, the Left did not seem to realise what was happening as it was, at the time, becoming obsessed with Identity Politics. AfD had been dismissed as some kind of abberation and was not expected to get any seats in the German parliament. The Austrian presidential election was celebrated by the Left as a defeat of the Right but in reality, it was a defeat for the Left that allowed the Right to consolidate. The "defeat" of Wilders' party in Holland was similarly celebrated and it was not really a defeat. Merkel is turning into Germany's May in terms of political bumbling. It would be funny if it was not so serious.

    Regards...jmcc
    Very true... Similarly in France, the defeat of the NF, which is to be welcomed, comes with the double edge of Macron and the worst of neo liberalism.

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    Not quite as bad as Hungary (yet) but a terrible result . Not only was the 'Social Democrat' CSSD down by nearly 2/3rds but the opposition 'communist' KSCD dropped by nearly half and a new populist extreme right party winning 11%. ANO reminds me of Fianna Fail under Charlie Haughey . Going on like Poland , I suspect the leftside were asleep at the wheel (and/or corrupt) again. There is talk of disinfo gone wild re-inforcing an existing cynicism which I'd believe as it sounds like here (just worse) but not so sure about this account (lacking other analysis, the Guardian was way out , Romanian based LeftEast which has seemed to do good hard analysis has yet to cover it)
    https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...public/543591/
    Holland was a disaster for Social Democracy (and a stagnation for the hard left, with only a decent result for a soft Green Left as consolation), it's sad to see people so blinkered to see that as a sort of victory (Austria could only be described as not quite as bad as expected), there is little room for complacency. I wish there was as i'm getting too old for this *****
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    A going on headwrecker article from LeftEast focusing on a leading (neighboring) Slovakian 'social democrat' politican might shed some light (a guy seen as 'marxist' hard left and not keen on refugees).
    http://www.criticatac.ro/lefteast/support-refugees/
    Said criticised Blaha's position does seem very like the German Die linke's Lafontaine in fact https://www.socialeurope.eu/in-defen...cial-democracy
    Slovakia and Romania are now the last East European countries with leftish (as in 'social democrat' led) governments , Bosnia having a NI style set up, but even there the former communist 'Social Democrats' are in retreat and split
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    A going on headwrecker article from LeftEast focusing on a leading Slovakian 'social democrat' politican might shed some light (a guy seen as 'marxist' hard left and not keen on refugees).
    http://www.criticatac.ro/lefteast/support-refugees/
    Slovakia and Romania are now the last East European countries with leftish (as in 'social democrat' led) governments , Bosnia having a NI style set up

    Finally analysis from an LSE associated head . 'Communist' voters switched to the new populist extreme right SPD ('Freedom and Direct Democracy' party) he reckons . My own guesstimate as that for a long time they acted as a populist left deflector (similar to our own Sinn Fein perhaps?), but why this suddenly collapsed is not explained . Perhaps supporters got tired waiting for 'communism' to come back ? Excuse the irony but this is a real danger for the hard left when they cant offer short term relief to their supporters
    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/20...ngarian-model/

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    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/11/a...ublic-election
    Jacobin finally got an analysis in (not as long as some) . Pointing to the new populist left Razem in Poland ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razem only looking good at 3.6% because the old left collapsed completely to 7% ) as the way forward shows what a grim reality it is for the leftside . Only a hard as nails academic (in one sense but wishful thinking in the Razem example) could look at it that cheerfully
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