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    Even those of us who read widely across media sources, will note a headline and move on to the story of more interest to us. Headlines matter. In the era of clickbait (and of appealing to the lowest common denominator of populism), I have been really struck by a news story today.

    Women in Saudi Arabia have finally won their long and difficult battle to get the right to drive.
    But what do the headlines tell us?
    That women have been allowed to drive.

    Really?
    By a benign dictator or what? Niceness on the part of the Saudi regime? Bunch of guys slapping their foreheads and having a lightbulb moment. 'Hey, lads, we totally forgot to let women drive. Silly us, let's fix that.'

    Not at all. Women spoke, fought, rallied, campaigned. Women were even imprisoned for that campaign.



    Saudi Arabia to allow women to drive in major milestone for country Source:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/middle-east/

    So how did the Irish news outlets or rather their sub-editors spin the story?

    Have a look: The headlines are completely out of line with the reports.

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/

    "Saudi Arabia will allow women to drive for the first time"

    "
    Campaigners have for many years argued that women should be allowed to drive, saying that it makes virtual prisoners out of women who do not have a male family member or chauffeur to drive them around.
    In June 2011, about 40 women got behind the wheel and drove in several cities in a protest sparked when Manal Sharif, one of the founders of the movement, was arrested and detained for 24 hours after posting a video of herself driving.

    Another was arrested and sentenced to 10 lashes – a sentence later overturned by the king – and the rest were told to sign statements guaranteeing they would not drive again.
    In October 2013, shortly after a prominent cleric claimed that medical studies showed driving damaged a woman's ovaries, 60 women took part in a protest, driving in spite of warnings from the authorities."

    Compliments to
    Harriet Alexander
    @h_alexander for the most complete account of the campaign



    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east

    "Saudi Arabia announces it will allow women to drive"

    "Rights groups have long campaigned for the ban to be overturned, and some women have been arrested and jailed for defying the ban and taking the wheel."

    http://www.thejournal.ie/saudi-arabi...17114-Sep2017/

    "Saudi Arabia will allow women to drive for the first time in history"

    "The shock announcement comes after a years-long resistance from women’s rights activists, some of whom were jailed for defying the ban on female driving."

    And the worst?:

    http://www.liberation.fr/planete/201...nduire_1599184
    "L’Arabie
    saoudite va autoriser les femmes à conduire"
    Nary a word on the resistance by women. and I thought Libération was sound. :-(

    The https://www.rte.ie/news/world/
    Saudi Arabia to end ban on women driving

    A very neutral headline but NO mention whatsoever in their piece about women's fight for rights. Astounding.

    "Saudi King Salman has decreed that women be allowed to drive cars, Saudi Arabia's state news agency SPA has said."



    I would be really grateful for any comments on this, and for examples of other misleading headlines which completely skew the facts in the news.
    Last edited by Spectabilis; 27-09-2017 at 02:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectabilis View Post
    [SIZE=3][FONT=arial]Even those of us who read widely across media sources, will note a headline and move on to the story of more interest to us. Headlines matter. In the era of clickbait (and of appealing to the lowest common denominator of popularism), I have been really struck by a news story today.
    It isn't really intentional fake news. It is simply people of limited abilities pushing their own political agenda. Journalism, in the Irish media, is quite rare these days. Churnalism is all too common.

    Regards...jmcc

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    In the US it's not uncommon for print and online versions of a story to have different headlines, with the online version changing a couple of times, particularly if the story is updated, to test clickbaitiness. Story writers typically don't write headlines.


    In the US the Saudi move is seen as less about power for women and more about preparing the Saudi economy for life after oil. Women will need to drive, and a different type of ex-pat will need to be enticed. The belief being that Saudi would not have made this move if they were not being pressured by looming economic circumstances.
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    Three separate pieces in The Atlantic on the Saudi driving issue linked here.


    The Right to Drive: Saudi Arabia’s King Salman announced the endof his country’s ban on driver’s licenses for women on Tuesday. Saudi Arabia was the only country that restricted driving based on sex, and the announcement marks a victory for women who have spent years campaigning for more autonomy. But it’s not clear yet how much women’s status will change, or how much the decision was motivated by a commitment to reform. Hala Al-Dosari, a scholar and activist, explains why the new decree has left her with mixed feelings
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectabilis View Post
    Even those of us who read widely across media sources, will note a headline and move on to the story of more interest to us. Headlines matter. In the era of clickbait (and of appealing to the lowest common denominator of populism), I have been really struck by a news story today.

    Women in Saudi Arabia have finally won their long and difficult battle to get the right to drive.
    But what do the headlines tell us?
    That women have been allowed to drive.

    Really?
    By a benign dictator or what? Niceness on the part of the Saudi regime? Bunch of guys slapping their foreheads and having a lightbulb moment. 'Hey, lads, we totally forgot to let women drive. Silly us, let's fix that.'

    Not at all. Women spoke, fought, rallied, campaigned. Women were even imprisoned for that campaign.



    Saudi Arabia to allow women to drive in major milestone for country Source:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/middle-east/

    So how did the Irish news outlets or rather their sub-editors spin the story?

    Have a look: The headlines are completely out of line with the reports.

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/

    "Saudi Arabia will allow women to drive for the first time"

    "
    Campaigners have for many years argued that women should be allowed to drive, saying that it makes virtual prisoners out of women who do not have a male family member or chauffeur to drive them around.
    In June 2011, about 40 women got behind the wheel and drove in several cities in a protest sparked when Manal Sharif, one of the founders of the movement, was arrested and detained for 24 hours after posting a video of herself driving.

    Another was arrested and sentenced to 10 lashes – a sentence later overturned by the king – and the rest were told to sign statements guaranteeing they would not drive again.
    In October 2013, shortly after a prominent cleric claimed that medical studies showed driving damaged a woman's ovaries, 60 women took part in a protest, driving in spite of warnings from the authorities."

    Compliments to
    Harriet Alexander
    @h_alexander for the most complete account of the campaign



    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east

    "Saudi Arabia announces it will allow women to drive"

    "Rights groups have long campaigned for the ban to be overturned, and some women have been arrested and jailed for defying the ban and taking the wheel."

    http://www.thejournal.ie/saudi-arabi...17114-Sep2017/

    "Saudi Arabia will allow women to drive for the first time in history"

    "The shock announcement comes after a years-long resistance from women’s rights activists, some of whom were jailed for defying the ban on female driving."

    And the worst?:

    http://www.liberation.fr/planete/201...nduire_1599184
    "L’Arabie
    saoudite va autoriser les femmes à conduire"
    Nary a word on the resistance by women. and I thought Libération was sound. :-(

    The https://www.rte.ie/news/world/
    Saudi Arabia to end ban on women driving

    A very neutral headline but NO mention whatsoever in their piece about women's fight for rights. Astounding.

    "Saudi King Salman has decreed that women be allowed to drive cars, Saudi Arabia's state news agency SPA has said."



    I would be really grateful for any comments on this, and for examples of other misleading headlines which completely skew the facts in the news.
    i dont get it mate are you sayin theyre not lettin women drive????

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    Today's RTE coverage of Catalonia - 750 people injured in clashes between police(men's batons) and protestors (heads).

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    The problem isn't so much fake news as fake journalists.

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    i dont get this thread lads.... them 2 things happened theyre not fake????

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    Quote Originally Posted by dedogs View Post
    i dont get this thread lads.... them 2 things happened theyre not fake????
    It is how they are reported. Most churnalists have an agenda and push that rather than the facts. They seem to have been taught that their opinions matter more than the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    It is how they are reported. Most churnalists have an agenda and push that rather than the facts. They seem to have been taught that their opinions matter more than the facts.

    Regards...jmcc
    thanks mate....

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    Help & hope are on the horizon..........


    Steve Brill — founder of American Lawyer, Court TV, Brill's Content and the Yale Journalism Initiative — has almost finished raising $6 million to launch News Guard, which will rate news content so search and social-media platforms can help their users know what to trust:

    • Rating will be done by "qualified, accountable human beings," not algorithms.
    • Brill's co-CEO will be Gordon Crovitz, a Wall Street Journal columnist and former publisher of the paper.
    • They'll hire 40-60 journalists, who will be "well-paid."
    • They expect to have a product for U.S. users by mid-2018.
    • The business model: NewsGuard will charge a license fee for platforms and aggregators, who will make it available to users.
    • The company will create brand awareness by giving browser versions free to news literacy groups, school systems, etc.

    Why it matters: Brill has a long track record of successful journalistic start-ups. And he's attacking one of the biggest problems in media today: News consumers have trouble distinguishing between credible content and fake news, and the tech platforms have done little to help them.
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    This will all end up being a handy tool for censorship.

    What is fake news?
    The United Irishman. Updated 5/2/14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    This will all end up being a handy tool for censorship.

    What is fake news?
    Not at all. No one will be forced to buy their product, and the junk will still be there, just identified as that. Consumers will just have a way of avoiding it if they desire.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Not at all. No one will be forced to buy their product, and the junk will still be there, just identified as that. Consumers will just have a way of avoiding it if they desire.


    What about when Google start using it on how they order results?
    The United Irishman. Updated 5/2/14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    This will all end up being a handy tool for censorship.

    What is fake news?
    lies?

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