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    1. As far back as February 20, 2013, I pointed out "at least 50 years of headache for China, Japan and US" in my thread at a US political forum.

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    South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak said on Friday (15 Feb) that North Korea can never be made to abandon its nuclear weapons programme, arguing that only regime collapse could remove the threat from Pyongyang.

    Alas! It is a fat hope for the Kim Dynasty to end so soon. Kim Jong-un is about 30 years old. Assuming that he won't meet with any fatal accident or get any deadly disease like cancer or AIDS, he could easily live to more than 80 years old. By then he would have outlasted many American, Chinese and Japanese leaders.

    Thus the next period of 50 years is no cause for optimism in Asia. It will be a period of tension and conflicts in the Korean Peninsula. We shall see him dominating and directing the events in Northeast Asia. He will be the source of headache for China, Japan and the US. (End excerpts)

    2. According to https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.41de893b9b4b

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    ...North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho told diplomats that his country will never negotiate away what he called a rational “strategic option” against the threat of attack from the United States.

    “We will, under no circumstances, put the nukes and ballistic rockets” up for negotiation, Ri said in prepared remarks, adding that the entire United States is within range of its missiles.... (End excerpts)

    North Korea has vowed many times that it will never give up its nuclear weapons. However, Chinese leaders seem never understand what the North Korean regime is talking. They seem to underestimate its ruthless determination in pursuing nuclear weapons. Hence they keep chanting the mantra "Dialogue and negotiations are the only way out", forgetting the humiliating, unequal treaties imposed by Western imperial powers and the Japanese Empire after every so-called dialogue during the 19th and early 20th centuries.

    Dialogue and negotiations can only yield results when one side is stronger than the other. Usually after a war, the conqueror would force the conquered to "negotiate" for an unequal treaty. Examples of such treaties were the Treaty of Versailles, Treaty of San Francisco, Treaty of Sevres, Cairo Treaty and Potsdam Agreements.

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    3. At a news conference in China on 5 September 2017, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Kim Jong Un would allow his people to “eat grass” before he ever gives up his nuclear and missile defense programs. North Korea's reckless pursuit of nuclear weapons raises some interesting questions.

    What will North Korea do with its growing stockpile of nuclear weapons some years down the road? Will Fatboy Kim dismantle his nuclear missiles to feed his people with scrap metals if there is no more grass left for them to "graze"?

    Even if scrap metals can be eaten, we don't expect the "Ball of Fat" to dismantle his nuclear weapons to feed his people. To him, nuclear weapons are more important and precious than the lives of his people. Then we come to the final and most important question:

    What is the goal of North Korea in developing nuclear weapons? It is not for ensuring the survival of the North Korean regime as commonly propagated by the state media. This lame excuse is refuted by the following facts.

    (a) It was not nuclear weapons but Chinese intervention that rescued the North Korean communists and prevented them from completely wiped out by US-led UN forces in the 1950 Korean War.

    (b) It is the Chinese nuclear umbrella that ensures the continued survival of the "Impossible State".

    (c) It is the Chinese economic lifeline that prevents the collapse of the "Impossible State".

    Taking away the China factor from the equation, the nuclear-armed rogue state would be just as vulnerable and helpless as Saddam Hussein"s Iraq, Muammar Gaddafi's Libya or a lone island in the ocean. Now we come back to the question: What is the goal of North Korea in developing nuclear weapons?

    North Korea cannot keep on accumulating nuclear weapons for ever. There will come a point in time it has to put them into "good use". For what use and purpose?

    It's not hard to see the goal of North Korea's nuclear missile programme, that is, to finish the unfinished business of the 1950 Korean War to subdue the South and rule the Korean Peninsula under the banner of the Kim Dynasty using nuclear blackmail. Once the US forces withdraw from Asia, the majority of the population in South Korea would rather opt to wave the white flag than see their country become a "sea of fire".

    4. Unlike communist North Vietnam which tried to whip up anti-war sentiment among American sympathisers with pictures of horrors inflicted by US forces on innocent Vietnamese civilians during the Vietnam War, North Korea is just doing the opposite. It is resorting to nuclear blackmail in order to strike terror into the hearts of Americans to get them call their government to withdraw from Asia so that it can achieve its ultimate goal of subduing the South. As seen in the following links, North Korea's nuclear threats against America do work to some extent.

    (a) According to https://www.yahoo.com/news/guam-resi...033540651.html

    "Residents of the tiny Pacific island of Guam say they're afraid of being caught in the middle of escalating tensions between the U.S. and North Korea after Pyongyang announced it was examining plans for attacking the strategically important U.S. territory.

    Though local officials downplayed any threat, people who live and work on the island, which serves as a launching pad for the U.S. military, said Wednesday they could no longer shrug off the idea of being a potential target."

    (b) According to https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/new...beandmail.com&

    "The growing nuclear anxiety felt by a majority of Americans – borne out in recent opinion polls, and in parallels made to the Cuban missile crisis – points to just how much the recent standoff with North Korea has seeped into the public consciousness."

    (c) And there are already voices of appeasement in the US such as "It’s time to recognize that North Korea is a nuclear power." If this happens, the day won't be far off for North Korean tanks to roll all the way to Seoul and one of them will crash through the gates of the Blue House. Seeing a small impoverished state could easily achieve such an incredible feat, China would feel compelled or be tempted to "liberate" Taiwan by nuclear blackmail.

    If America is forced by the fear of nuclear war to withdraw from Asia, it may let South Korea, Japan and even Taiwan develop nuclear weapons as a last resort. This last step will surely send the stupid Japanophobic Chinese leaders screaming in protest.

    5. In the "Arabian Nights", Sinbad was enslaved by the Old Man of the Sea, who rode on his shoulders with his legs twisted round Sinbad's neck and would not let go, riding him both day and night until Sinbad would welcome death.

    Similarly, China had been carrying the North Korean burden since the 1950 Korean War. Unlike Sinbad who managed to get rid of his deadly burden, Chinese leaders are stupid enough to continue shouldering the North Korean economic burden, cherishing it like "the jewel in the crown" of the whole country.

    Chinese leaders may have the illusion that they are like the ancient Greek gods on Olympus, just observing the conflicts of mankind from the heights. If they err for a second time to drag themselves into another Korean War, their folly could bring China back to the era of the Qing Dynasty. Looking back at the 1979 Sino-Vietnamese war, it won't be difficult for China to see that it will be the next target once North Korea succeeds to subdue the South with nuclear blackmail.

    North Korean nuclear missiles can already hit all Chinese cities. The whole of China is within range of North Korean nuclear missiles before they can reach the American mainland. If the Rocket Man decides to fire a few nuclear missiles at some densely-populated Chinese regions, there is no way China can shoot them down even if it has the technology. North Korean nuclear missiles are too close to China for comfort. It is just like facing a gunman a few metres away. Thus in the final analysis, China will end up as the main loser whether in war or peace.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinbad_the_Sailor

    http://www.uexpress.com/tell-me-a-st...the-old-man-of

    http://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world/...cid=spartandhp

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty

    https://www.thoughtco.com/unequal-treaties-195456

    http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...of-versailles/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Conference

    https://www.chinausfocus.com/foreign...diaoyu-islands

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco

    http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...aty-of-sevres/

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...e#.WcIfTbpuLIU
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    Well, at least that's a set of comprehensible assertions that we can discuss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    Well, at least that's a set of comprehensible assertions that we can discuss.
    Thanks for your reply.

    Please comment on any point in the thread and tell us your workable solution on the North Korean problem.

    Other readers are welcome to participate in the discussion and give their valuable opinions on solving the Korean problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    Well, at least that's a set of comprehensible assertions that we can discuss.
    Which you apparently are declining to do............
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    Trump making an announcement later today. Supposedly about more sanctions on North Korea, and possibly Iran
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    Trump making an announcement later today. Supposedly about more sanctions on North Korea, and possibly Iran
    Sanction details not yet available, but earlier today China's Central Bank instructed all banks to stop trading with NK and otherwise rigorously implement UN sanctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedak View Post

    (c) It is the Chinese economic lifeline that prevents the collapse of the "Impossible State".
    Trump saying China's central bank has ordered it's banks to stop doing business with North Korea. Does he speak for China now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Sanction details not yet available, but earlier today China's Central Bank instructed all banks to stop trading with NK and otherwise rigorously implement UN sanctions.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...-idUSKCN1BW1DL
    Details here http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...orea-sanctions

    FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS: The E.O. provides the authority to impose sanctions on any foreign financial institution that knowingly conducts or facilitates any significant transaction on behalf of certain designated individuals and entities, or any significant transaction in connection with trade with North Korea, on or after the date of the E.O.

    Under this new authority, the sanctions measures can be either restrictions on correspondent or payable-through accounts or blocking sanctions.
    The E.O. also provides the Secretary of the Treasury additional authority to block any funds originating from, destined for, or passing through accounts linked to North Korea that come within the United States or possession of a U.S. person.
    Foreign financial institutions must choose between doing business with the United States or facilitating trade with North Korea or its designated supporters.
    TRADE: The E.O. directly targets North Korea's shipping and trade networks and issues a 180-day ban on vessels and aircraft that have visited North Korea from visiting the United States. This ban also targets vessels that have engaged in a ship-to-ship transfer with a vessel that has visited North Korea within 180 days. North Korea is dependent on its shipping networks to facilitate international trade.
    The E.O. also authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State, to impose sanctions on persons involved in:

    Industries: The construction, energy, financial services, fishing, information technology, manufacturing, medical, mining, textiles, or transportation industries in North Korea;
    Ports: Ownership, control, or operation of any port in North Korea, including any seaport, airport, or land port of entry;
    Imports/Exports: at least one significant importation from or exportation to North Korea of any goods, services, or technology.
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    Perhaps the North Koreans are just following Israel's example. :-)Defy the world. Especially the Mighty!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MauriceColgan View Post
    Perhaps the North Koreans are just following Israel's example. :-)Defy the world. Especially the Mighty!!!
    I would be pretty sure that the standard of living of even the poorest people in Israel is better than that of the richest in North Korea (with the possible exception of Little Kim and his close associates).
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    I would be pretty sure that the standard of living of even the poorest people in Israel is better than that of the richest in North Korea (with the possible exception of Little Kim and his close associates).
    We have the 'Chosen' people everywhere.

    Non Jewish people in Israel my give you an argument?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MauriceColgan View Post
    We have the 'Chosen' people everywhere.

    Non Jewish people in Israel my give you an argument?
    That strikes me as a decidedly intolerant statement.


    There are 2.5B Christians, 1.8B Muslims, 1.1B Hindus, and just 17M Jews.
    6.5M Jews in Israel, 6.5M in the US, and 4M, rest of world.
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    I might just as easily say the world isn't suffering from a shortage of slit eyed people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    That strikes me as a decidedly intolerant statement.


    There are 2.5B Christians, 1.8B Muslims, 1.1B Hindus, and just 17M Jews.
    6.5M Jews in Israel, 6.5M in the US, and 4M, rest of world.
    No-one has control over the religion they're born into.



    I might just as easily say the world isn't suffering from a shortage of slit eyed people.
    A little thin skinned are we not? :-) We owe it to ourselves to see the BIG picture. I, by the way, am exceedingly tolerant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MauriceColgan View Post
    A little thin skinned are we not? :-) We owe it to ourselves to see the BIG picture. I, by the way, am exceedingly tolerant.

    The Hebrews gave birth to the Christians and Muslims. Something is very wrong somewhere.
    You may be exceedingly tolerant in other aspects of your life, but not with respect to Jews it would appear.


    Diverting to speculate on the thinness of my skin and trying as an excuse, to make light of dark sentiment, falls flat, particularly since the sentiment was originally expressed in response to a query by Pluralist, who also seemed to detect something amiss with your earlier comment.
    As to the BIG picture, how big would you like it to be?





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    Quote Originally Posted by MauriceColgan View Post
    We have the 'Chosen' people everywhere.

    Non Jewish people in Israel my give you an argument?
    My preference is for secularism. But it's interesting that a lot of people seem to have a massive problem with the existence of one (tiny) Jewish state, while rarely if ever raising a complaint against the many, and much larger, Islamic states that surround it.

    I must say, I found it frankly, odd that you brought Israel into this thread.
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