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    Sunday 19 November 2017

    People may know Monday was the anniversary of 9/11/74 but does anyone know about the current situation ? My paltry knowledge is that the centre-left (including the CP now) seems to have retreated into a bubble like elsewhere and has not inspired . Apparently it has been unable to do much in the way of rebuilding the destroyed social state (and I mean really destroyed under Pinochet not just cut back). Extreme Neo-liberalism is protected in the constitution I recall reading.
    Anyhow a new leftish coalition has emerged to challenge the old governing one . There is no commentary in English I can find so here are the wiki links

    2 round system, right wing Pinera polling around 40% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilea...election,_2017

    Bachelet's and new Presidential candidate Guillier's Old centre-left New Majority governing coalition (Goic's Christian Democrats have split off Leaving SP, CP and others) -latest poll 21% (has gone lower)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Majority_(Chile)

    Sanchez's New left Broad Front coalition -latest poll 17% (has reached 20s)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad_Front_(Chile)

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    My knowledge of Chile is almost non existent so many thanks for posting the thread.

    Jacobin magazine had an interesting issue recently about the state of the left in South America... on the whole it does not appear to be very inspiring.
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    [QUOTE=Saoirse go Deo;466847]My knowledge of Chile is almost non existent so many thanks for posting the thread. /[QUOTE]

    Despite several visits there my Spanish doesn't stretch, thanks for the post and please keep going? When is the election?

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    Karol Cariola called the US-backed 1973 coup against President Salvador Allende "one of the most painful and difficult moments" of history.

    A proposed law presented by Chilean parliament member Karol Cariola of the Communist Party, and signed by several other members of parliament, would remove all monuments and dedications to members of Augusto Pinochet's military dictatorship, which violently ruled Chile from 1973 to 1990.
    https://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...0914-0001.html
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    The fact that they are only getting to that when the government looks a goner with the hard to extreme right likely to come back over a divided leftside shows how neutered they are. What I dont know is whether it is due to circumstances beyond the control of the New Majority old left or due atrophy? What is the deal with the emergence of the 'new left' broad front . Is this a Podemos equiv and so on ? The government has done the usual left liberalish stuff on softening the complete abortion ban and some stuff on gay rights but i get impression they have been near completely unable to progress on stuff involving increasing social spending ? Big ? mark on the election as we dont know how transferable the votes are between the 2 lefts and Christian Democrat former allies and so on .

    In General we have very bad info on Latin America with the emergence of the complete hype about Morales and MAS being socialist (Bertie was more so considering the similar lack of progress in Bolivia to Chile in creating a welfare state) and even Venezuela was hyped as 20th century socialism when all it really was was oil renterism social liberalism (better than the neo liberalism now threatened of course) . The populist left there (Bolivia probably shouldnt be even included?) has made impressive speeches but not delivered what was hyped unfortunately. Of course it is easy to criticise and their reality is harder than here
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    There is an Irish connection to Chile in case people are unaware

    Bernardo O'Higgins Riquelme (Spanish: [berˈnarðo oˈxiɣins]; 1778–1842) was a Chilean independence leader who freed Chile from Spanish rule in the Chilean War of Independence. He was a wealthy landowner of Spanish and Irish ancestry.[1] Although he was the second Supreme Director of Chile (1817–1823), he is considered one of Chile's founding fathers, as he was the first holder of this title to head a fully independent Chilean state.

    Bernardo O'Higgins, a member of the O'Higgins Family, was born in the Chilean city of Chillán in 1778, the illegitimate son of Ambrosio O'Higgins, 1st Marquis of Osorno,[2] a Spanish officer born in County Sligo, Ireland, who became governor of Chile and later viceroy of Peru.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardo_O%27Higgins
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    AFAIR, the Bernardo O'Hoggins museum in Chillan says his father was from Limerick. However, every town and village worth the name has a Bernardo street/boulevard. There are also a lot of Lynch and McKenna streets. We do get around.

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    The good news is in this the testbed if not the actual birthplace of neo-liberalism to neo-conservatism (at it's worst under Pinochet's dictatorship) the main candidate of the Pinochet inspired right Pinero did somewhat less good than some OPs at 37% in the Presidential. The old centre-left (in power and weakened by corruption it's been said) came 2nd at 23% with Guiller and a new Broad left (inspired by Podemos it was said somewhere) won 20% with Sanchez . The Christian Democrats who split from the centre-left won around 6% in Goic (the wiki left her out oddly) . An independent rightist Kast won around 8% and another centre-leftish Enríquez-Ominami won 6% . The polls for the 2nd round were favoring Pinero by large margins, whether the broad left surge will change this, I dont know

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilea...election,_2017

    The government election results service http://www.servelelecciones.cl/

    Results in the parliamentary are harder to figure and under the Elección Diputados tab . Unfortunately due the fragmented result the bad guys are close to a majority there
    The system was skewed for just 2 coalitions so esp with the Broad Front not as popular as their Presidential candidate , the right win a relative victory .
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chambe...uties_of_Chile
    (meagre report indicates some change so it would have been worse before ? http://latinamericanpost.com/index.p...et-s-successor )
    Anyhow obviously many were not at all happy with Bachelets government, with the Broad Front doing a Podemos like emergence

    For commentary not knowing what to trust media wise The Broad Left facebook has some limited stuff https://www.facebook.com/FrenteAmpliodeChile https://twitter.com/elfrente_amplio
    as has Allende's old party the Socialists (now the party of outgoing president the dissapointing Michelle Bachelet ) https://twitter.com/pschile

    And finally in English Telesur had something in advance https://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...1114-0019.html
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    https://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...1101-0019.html
    The Telsur stuff is surprisingly detailed . Chile of course is a long source of sadness for old lefties like myself and it must be esp so in Latin America

    Chile is an ultimate model neo-liberals want to aim for so a search for info on social welfare returns mostly waffle . As indicated above the social state looks pathetic with pensions privatised and just a flimsy 'social protection' system which it's hard to find real info on . Some gossip implied the Bachelet centre left government was trying harder (the constitution makes it hard to get away from neo-liberal measures that cut social spending) , but again reading the above it is clear they are seen by the populist left Broad Front as corrupt and out of touch . The centre left kept the old names (and even the photos of Allende in the case of the Socialists) but retreated into it's own bubble by looks, only doing minimal reform . An undated overview http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/A...VELOPMENT.html

    Finally a dubious neo-con? analysis but it confirms the out of touch and corruption bits . Bachelet might have made noise on inequality but it's a fair bet she did only token stuff so the article is being disingenious there. In terms of spin the dangers of being seen to be driven by upper middle class kids might be valid , I don't know https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...omestic-legacy
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    Chilean election seen by Spanish Left paper http://www.publico.es/internacional/...-incierta.html
    See section 2 -The Broad Front, the great winner

    And my conclusion; Let's face facts if extreme capitalism were going to result in revolution, rebirth of communism, etc it would have happened already in the country where it is longest Chile . This has not been the case, instead the entire old left like elsewhere are in trouble for being out of touch to corrupt. No amount of harping on about the 1974 Nixon sponsored coup will change that. The good news is a vaguely Podemos like new left is emerging to fill the void .

    I note the above claims turnout down 4% . Wiki claims down about 1.5% . The Official government site does not make it easy to confirm such . Anyhow election summary in English below (Governments of Venezuela, Cuba, Ecuador, Bolivia, Nicaragua and Uruguay funded )
    https://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...1118-0026.html
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    Hi, didn't find any number for the turnout, maybe a bit early. Based on my limited experience while there, it seemed that things were looking up, so, the right gets the benefit. The parliament result shows a mish mash of the old and the maybe new.

    Could be that the result, depending on turnout, is the current routine of people being pissed off with pols, sort of satisfied with their lot and enough football to keep them occupied.

    I see they withdrew compulsory voting, pols never liked that, I assume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    Hi, didn't find any number for the turnout, maybe a bit early. Based on my limited experience while there, it seemed that things were looking up, so, the right gets the benefit. The parliament result shows a mish mash of the old and the maybe new.

    Could be that the result, depending on turnout, is the current routine of people being pissed off with pols, sort of satisfied with their lot and enough football to keep them occupied.

    I see they withdrew compulsory voting, pols never liked that, I assume.
    The turnout figures are there somewhere , it's just too time consuming to look They are clearly down and below 50% though .
    Anyhow the new Broad Front people are not happy, They want both a welfare state (the pensions are long privatised, as for 'dole' they didnt even have that in Venezuela til maybe very recently ) and more democracy . The party Democratic Revolution appears to be the biggest one in the Front which has more than just the listed parties http://revoluciondemocratica.cl https://www.facebook.com/RevolucionDemocraticaChile . They alone sound like Podemos and The coalition/Broad Front itself is the same name as the ruling crowd in Uruguay of former trendy president Mujico

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    And finally someone from the real far left to ultra left has managed an analysis . Coherent , oddly they tend to be fairly readable . Some interesting facts , but it all leads up to the usual sectarian damning of the 'Broad Front' . Perhaps elements of the 'intelligence community' fund such jokers just in case Islamo fascism runs out of steam ? Anyhow the fact that Broad Front want a welfare state in the world's neo-liberal testbed is proof enough to me that they are real 'middle left' even if they have to deny being 'left' due to the depressing record of the 'old left' .
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../chil-n21.html

    Now something upbeat about the 'Broad Front' written before the election https://alborada.net/chile-frente-am...neoliberalism/
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    Coherent,yes, but possible? unlikely.

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