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    Default IRSP wants a united Ireland that is not a part of the EU

    The IRSP have launched a new policy document entitled ‘Britain out of Ireland - Ireland out of the EU’.



    The Irish Republican Socialist Party (IRSP) wants a United Ireland to leave the EU.

    A launch of its new policy at Conway Mill in west Belfast yesterday, also heard the IRSP would support a 'border poll' on unity.

    The ‘Britain out of Ireland - Ireland out of the EU’ policy document says that while a border poll may not be immediately successful it "may with time set off popular momentum forIrish unity which cannot be reversed".

    The party said that it intends to “campaign proactively and from a revolutionary socialist platform for a progressive result, namely an end to partition in Ireland”.

    In addition to supporting a united Ireland, the policy document also supports the removal of an independent Ireland from the European Union.
    http://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/0...poll--1127785/

    The full document can be read at the following link:
    https://irsp.ie/wp-content/uploads/2.../IRSP-BOOI.pdf
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    I have not had a chance to properly read the document yet, but it is always encouraging to see republican groups coming out with new policy initiatives.
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    I think that strategically the argument for a united Ireland out of the EU is best had after a ''united Ireland.''
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    I think that strategically the argument for a united Ireland out of the EU is best had after a ''united Ireland.''
    Ireland out of Europe. Logically that means hanging onto Britannia's apron strings. Unless the Irps can convince us all to attend to our allotments and live off the fat of the land. Back to nature and self sufficiency. No immigrants -or emigrants for that matter. Hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Og View Post
    Ireland out of Europe. Logically that means hanging onto Britannia's apron strings. Unless the Irps can convince us all to attend to our allotments and live off the fat of the land. Back to nature and self sufficiency. No immigrants -or emigrants for that matter. Hmmm.
    Agree with both you and Trow.

    The only feasible way of leaving the EU and not falling into UK and US bossom is some sort of union with other European countries with similar objectives as ourselves....which seems a long, long way off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Og View Post
    Ireland out of Europe. Logically that means hanging onto Britannia's apron strings. Unless the Irps can convince us all to attend to our allotments and live off the fat of the land. Back to nature and self sufficiency. No immigrants -or emigrants for that matter. Hmmm.
    Not necessarily. [as to the apron strings] A united Ireland cuts those strings. However as the South [26 Counties Ireland] is an EU member State and the North [British occupied 6 Counties] voted a majority against Brexit [leaving the EU] the whole issue of an Independent Ireland is reborn.

    In my view there should of course, under such unique circumstance be no ''Irexit'' fee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post

    The only feasible way of leaving the EU and not falling into UK and US bossom is some sort of union with other European countries with similar objectives as ourselves....which seems a long, long way off.
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    So this is the Irish "independence" that Pearse and Connolly fought for - a choice between Brussels purse strings and London purse strings?

    I have no idea why most of the "republican" movement assume that the former is somhow more acceptable.

    Still, fair play to the IRSP for offering a real alternative to Sinn Fein's cap-doffing to our Euro-masters.

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    To be blunt, I find it very, very difficult to give any credence or moral support to anything that emerges from the IRSP given some of the actions they've been involved in in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardbouvet View Post
    So this is the Irish "independence" that Pearse and Connolly fought for - a choice between Brussels purse strings and London purse strings?

    I have no idea why most of the "republican" movement assume that the former is somhow more acceptable.

    Still, fair play to the IRSP for offering a real alternative to Sinn Fein's cap-doffing to our Euro-masters.
    It's awfully easy to offer an alternative when it comes at no cost to yourself. The IRSP and any other micro party can blithely say they'd pull out of the EU knowing full well that they haven't got the remotest chance in the world of having to deliver on that very very very very very complex to deliver scenario.

    If they grow like SF did then they too can flip like SF did and bow to the real-economics of Ireland.

    Talk is cheap when your political promises amount to nothing more than wishful thinking that you don't have to deliver.

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    Shaadi, your comments are creepily like those made by Labour in 2011-16!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardbouvet View Post
    Shaadi, your comments are creepily like those made by Labour in 2011-16!
    Indeed, and Labour couldn't have indulged in fantasy economics when in power and they didn't.

    They did however make deliberate choices as to which group of people they were going to try to appeal to with their choices in office, those deliberate choices were aimed at the supposedly all conquering middle-class voter base. Their attempted charm offensive to right of centre middle-class voters failed.

    There's a limited pie, how you choose to divide it out is the only real choice left to a Government.

    In the context of an Irexit from the EU, the torturously slow and damaging process of Britain's exit from the EU shows how much hot air is the simplistic call for Ireland to leave the EU and Britain has a critical mass that Ireland will never possess.

    Have any of the IRSP people actually got a clue about how to negotiate trade deals, about how much our and most countries economies are governed by rules made by bodies who don't have to listen to Ireland at all if they feel like it?

    Also what's particularly funny about the IRSP calls for an Irexit is their notion that we could do so while most definitely not hanging onto the UK's coat tails.



    People are way too into their consumerist lifestyles to even consider the economic hardships involved in us going it on our own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    I think that strategically the argument for a united Ireland out of the EU is best had after a ''united Ireland.''
    Yeah but don't bother telling the holier than thou brigades in numerous Irish micro parties that.

    No strategic thinking on the Irish left at all. It is all just principle and no 'how do we get there'.

    However a second thing to do would be to remove ourselves from it without actually leaving.

    In the medium term what would be wrong with rescinding the more restrictive EU treaties forced upon us..

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    To be blunt, I find it very, very difficult to give any credence or moral support to anything that emerges from the IRSP given some of the actions they've been involved in in the past.
    I think you might be confusing the IRSP with the INLA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post

    However a second thing to do would be to remove ourselves from it without actually leaving.

    In the medium term what would be wrong with rescinding the more restrictive EU treaties forced upon us..
    Missed this earlier Apjp. I like your way of thinking.
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