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    Nick Cohen, who wrote a book explaining why he had basically ditched the left, and Katie Hopkins (who has never claimed to be on the left, and has been reported to police on numerous occasions for tweets or articles that were, according to those who reported them, racist) more or less on the same page on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    Nick Cohen, who wrote a book explaining why he had basically ditched the left, and Katie Hopkins (who has never claimed to be on the left, and has been reported to police on numerous occasions for tweets or articles that were, according to those who reported them, racist) more or less on the same page on this.
    When confronted with frying children as the alternative, equality suddenly seems strangely attractive to them.

    Sadiq Khan is wooden and lame - and heckled. He, from London Labour Party, voted against installing fire hydrants at Grenfell and other estates.

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    I'm not so sure any police investigation will just ''fizzle out''
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    A response to news of affordable housing to families of Grenfell in a luxury block.....

    Quote.. “We’re pleased that the Corporation of London has stepped in to offer affordable social housing to Grenfell residents – the least that should happen is that existing social tenants are offered alternative social housing after their homes have been burnt to the ground following council and government negligence.

    “However, questions remain about housing social tenants in luxury apartment blocks – how ‘affordable’ will these flats really be? We also abhor the way in which developers of luxury blocks meet ‘affordable’ housing quotas by designing buildings in which those on low-incomes are kept out of sight and out of mind from the rich. unquote...

    More here.. http://radicalhousingnetwork.org/
    Last edited by Trow; 21-06-2017 at 07:30 PM.
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    The funeral took place today of Mohammed Alhajali, a young Syrian student aged 23, from Daraa, who died in the fire, after being trapped for 2 hours.
    His brother who got out was devastated as he thought Mohammed was behind him on the stairs. The brothers spoke on the phone before he died as was the case with many of those who were trapped. The last person to be rescued was an elderly man who was got out 12 hours after the fire started. 79 people are known to have died: the full number is never likely to be known.



    In a statement read by family friend Muzna Alnaib, Mr Alhajali's family said: 'He was a loving and caring person always showing support and solidarity with his friends and family stuck back in Syria.
    'He never forgot to tell us how much he loved us, his very last words to us were how much he missed us. Ever since he moved away from us we tried to be united with him and his brothers and now, instead, we have been united by his body.
    'May he rest in peace and may no other family experience the pain we have endured in the last few days. We would like to thank everyone who has been so kind to us over the past few days.
    'In particular we would like to thank the charities and volunteers who have helped us since the fire, especially the Eden Care charity.
    'We want to thank all of you who signed the petition to the government to allow us to be here and we would like to thank the home office for their assistance in getting us to London in time for the funeral.'


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4keh18L86
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    There were "Day of Rage" protests across London today, all peaceful. Not supported by all residents, some of whom feared trouble.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...grenfell-tower
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    A very informative article. Much of this is relevant to Ireland as well as England.

    The two main pieces of news are

    1) that the Fire Service came to put out a fridge fire and left believing it was out. It is speculated that sparks may have got outside and that the outside of the building was already burning when they left.

    2) that the Cabinet was repeatedly warned by letter from the main Fire advisory body that there was going to be a disaster due to use of flammable exterior materials. Grenfell and many other buildings have cladding with both flammable cover panels and flammable insulation.

    The article is illustrated with very clear diagrams.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...leaving-flats/
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    There were "Day of Rage" protests across London today, all peaceful. Not supported by all residents, some of whom feared trouble.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...grenfell-tower
    That is interesting, protests badged as "Day of Rage" are usually not particularly peaceful.
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    Televised reports of police seizing documents from a number of organizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    That is interesting, protests badged as "Day of Rage" are usually not particularly peaceful.
    The usual s*** stirrers at work - perhaps just stupid, perhaps doing a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    Televised reports of police seizing documents from a number of organizations.
    First sign of life from them since the fire started. Apart from arresting the black guy who took a photo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    First sign of life from them since the fire started. Apart from arresting the black guy who took a photo.
    Yeah, they ran silent just like the local council. Interesting that they are saying they still don't have 'the full picture.'' What's missing i wonder?
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    So it was the fridge... but why?

    "Police officers have established that the initial cause of the Grenfell Tower fire was a fridge-freezer [a Hotpoint FF175BP, a model with no recalls] and that it was not started deliberately, Det Supt Fiona McCormack, who is overseeing the investigation, said on Friday."


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...fire-1.3130909

    Now to see what a review of wiring discloses and whether there had been recurrence of those power surges as reported by the Residents' Association in 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectabilis View Post
    So it was the fridge... but why?

    "Police officers have established that the initial cause of the Grenfell Tower fire was a fridge-freezer [a Hotpoint FF175BP, a model with no recalls] and that it was not started deliberately, Det Supt Fiona McCormack, who is overseeing the investigation, said on Friday."


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...fire-1.3130909

    Now to see what a review of wiring discloses and whether there had been recurrence of those power surges as reported by the Residents' Association in 2013
    Good question. Surely it was only a matter of time before those power surges would cause a fire ?

    But even if someone had lit a bonfire in their flat, the block should still not have burned down.
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    Oh, no question about that. The rapid and all-consuming spread of the fire is the next question, and at least we have some answers on the preliminary tests of insulation and cladding.

    I had the misfortune to see the fire spread in real time, and each apartment was an inferno, with the fire climbing on the outside in a bizarre, linear way. I had not seen the earlier evacuations, so assumed an utterly horrifying outcome in numbers of casualties. The reporting of 'missing' and dead still very unsatisfactory, while there is talk of manslaughter charges being brought, nothing will undo this tragedy.

    Completely astounded to hear on RTÉ 1 just now that the building industry is 'self-regulating here. Like the banks, I guess.

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