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    Protests near the tower now, one man arrested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    Protests near the tower now, one man arrested.
    And protest needed. There are so many issues of defective management of the building, so many contributing factors from the cladding to on-going pipe installation, but one stands out for me, given reports from more than one resident of someone's fridge going on fire on Tuesday night.

    Power surges were among the many complaints made since 2013 by the residents

    On 11th May 2013 at 9:05pm we had numerous power surges in the space of a minute, and in that process my computer and monitor literally exploded with smoke seeping out from the back and the smell of burnt electronics filled our entire computer. My monitor also fused at the same time. When I called the TMO out of hours service the standard textbook response was given to us that I was the first one to report such a problem and I was made to feel like a fool reporting such an issue, which resulted in years of data being lost forever.
    Please note if the power surges continue at Grenfell Tower, it would be very dangerous and costly because it is interfering with electric and electronic items in the household, including the telephone line, television, fridge, washing machine, computer etc”.

    https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpres...-bad-to-worse/




    Good piece here from the Independent on the actions taken by the residents before this catastrophe:


    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7789276.html
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    A blog posted in January 2016 by Grefnell Action Group...

    Quote.. However, If the onsite staff at Lancaster West, from cleaning contractors and caretakers to office management, are so complacent that they can’t be trusted to deal promptly with such a public eyesore and health and safety hazard, then one has to wonder about the standard of health and safety scrutiny behind the scenes in hidden areas that are not so visible to the public.

    Not for the first time we must ask how safe is Lancaster West, can staff be trusted to ensure it is safe, and what hidden fire risks might be lurking in Grenfell Tower or elsewhere on the estate? unquote.. https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpres...l-a-fire-risk/

    Quote... Grenfell Tower and the politics of Social Class

    It's a fair bet that had Grenfell Tower been a luxury block of a flats - like one of those that are plentiful in the borough of Kensington - the catastrophic events of the last 36 hours wouldn't have happened. Fire and smoke alarms would have worked, sprinklers would have been installed, lifts would have been operational, there'd be more fire escapes and a type of plastic cladding known to be a fire risk wouldn't have been used on the building's exterior - a cladding scheme carried out incidentally because some of Kensington's more affluent residents had apparently been complaining the tower block was an 'eyesore'.

    Certainly it's an indisputable fact that the politics of social class and social inequality runs through this entire horrific episode. Grenfell tower housed mainly poor people and people from ethnic minority backgrounds - people who are largely ignored and marginalised in contemporary British society - and you can't help but get the feeling the Tory local authority and the 'arms length' body the council had created to run the tower block just couldn't be bothered to listen to the concerns of all those poor people about the building's safety. unquote..
    https://rodolfowalshglasses.blogspot...of-social.html
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    Tragic that the advice to stay in flats was only given in March after a lengthy campaign by residents because previously THERE WAS NO ADVICE ON FIRE DRILL AT ALL.

    They had met the councillors, reports had been sat on, nothing done at all except install gas pipes with no protection (it was promised) and flammable cladding at a cost of 8 million "To make it look pretty for the rich neighbours". Explosions were heard throughout the fire, presumably from the gas.

    "No alarms that could be heard in flats, no sprinkler system.

    The people who raised a noise from the ground to wake the people in the flats are now sorry they did "Because what did we wake them for, They were still trapped."

    The back door seems to have been locked - resident happened to have a fob or it could not have been opened.

    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4New...4939461291939/

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    Protests near the tower now, one man arrested.
    The wrong person has definitely been arrested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardbouvet View Post
    One stairwell, one exit, no fire-escapes. That arises from the belief that alternative staircases would become hang-outs for drug dealers etc.
    The block was built in the 1970s Richard, and I knew it well in the 80s. Nothing to do with drugs. It was cheap housing.
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    Warning that you may not want to see and hear this video uploaded to Facebook by Rania Ibrahim, with her two children, trapped on the 23rd floor. I couldn't listen to more than the first couple of minutes.

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    This is seen by the people of London as a part of the years of deliberate Tory "nudging" of working class people out of central London.
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    I don't think any inquiry should be answerable to the Tory Government.

    Not when we consider that Nick Hurd [Theresa Mays police and fire minister] was one of the 72 Tory mp's who are also residential landlords who voted against a Labour amendment to the governments housing and planning bill, designed to ensure all rental properties are fit for human habitation.

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    “New clause 53 is about safety and would introduce a requirement for landlords to undertake electrical safety checks. Many organisations from across the sector support the measure, such as the Local Government Association, the London fire brigade, Shelter, the Association of Residential Letting Agents, British Gas, Crisis and the Fire Officers Association. They have all given their support in the past to measures that will see the introduction of mandatory electrical safety checks.

    “It is estimated that electricity causes more than 20,000 house fires each year, leading to about 350 serious injuries and 70 deaths across the UK. Carbon monoxide, gas leaks and other fires and explosions cause fewer deaths and injuries, with 300 injuries and 18 deaths—these risks remain serious and it is right that we should continue to monitor them, but that shows what is at stake as regards electrical fires in the home.”

    Labour’s amendment was defeated with the help of the 72 Tory MPs who top up their Parliamentary salaries as landlords.

    Hurd, who makes at least £20,000 a year rental income from a 2 bedroom flat in Ruislip and a house in London, was among them.

    Today, as Police and Fire Minister, he is leading the Government’s response to the Grenfell tragedy… unquote..
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    With residential complaints from Grenfell tower on issues including electrical power surges and failures being continually ignored
    what confidence can we have in Theresa Mays public inquiry?
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    Britain First thug was seen baiting Moslems at the East London Mosque while they collected for fire victims.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7790991.html

    I suppose he was infuriated by the solid response across ethnic groups to help and support people affected by the fire.
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    Something ''controlled'' about the media when it comes to numbers. Fair enough when it comes to numbers of dead it will take a bit of time but when pressed, no-one wants to or seems able to answer the question. Perhaps the wrong question is being asked.

    We are told how many are in hospital and in what condition.
    We are told how many were rescued [be they in hospital or not]
    We are told 17 are now confirmed dead.

    Why does no-one ask.... How many are reported missing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    Something ''controlled'' about the media when it comes to numbers. Fair enough when it comes to numbers of dead it will take a bit of time but when pressed, no-one wants to or seems able to answer the question. Perhaps the wrong question is being asked.

    We are told how many are in hospital and in what condition.
    We are told how many were rescued [be they in hospital or not]
    We are told 17 are now confirmed dead.

    Why does no-one ask.... How many are reported missing?
    Someone has been arrested for sharing a photograph on social media of a 'partly covered' body and is being held by a police station.

    A BBC reporter apologised to the camera at length because a very upset man she interviewed swore.

    They are rightly scared of the anger.

    A man was rescued by fire services this morning 12 hours after the fire started. Conceivably there could still be people dying in the building as it is still on fire.

    The tenants all pay rent and you can guarantee that the landlords have contact mobile numbers for them. Have they tried ringing to see who is OK ?

    How many years was it before there was any kind of justice for soccer fans killed on masse through no fault of their own at Hillsborough.
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    Hmmmm, @ C. Flower. News reports saying they might not be able to identify all the dead. That means ''X'' amount for years to come will remain 'missing' and not officially dead?

    BBC now reports that it is hoped the death toll will not reach ''triple figures.''

    How long before we hear exactly how many bodies are removed from that building i wonder?
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    This discussion reminds me of the phrase 'managed decay'. We had a thread on this in 2012, with a focus on a different aspect of the built environment and social justice.

    ["The term ‘managed decay’ emerged last week in relation to the release of the 30-year government papers in the UK. It was used by SIr Geoffrey Howe, then Chancellor of the Exchequer, in relation to options for Liverpool following the Toxteth riots in January 1981."]

    Built cheaply, but now the flats are expensive to rent. This was not the most expensive one i came across. Note that the landlord does not accept rent allowance; that there is no garden access or parking at that price.

    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-59885887.html

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    "(The four) senior staff at the not-for-profit company which manages Grenfell Tower earned more than £650,000 last year."
    That's more than the Prime Minister who earns £142,500, at £162,500 each.
    They manage 10,000 properties, including 82 tower blocks.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/four-grenfell-tower-managers-shared-650-000-pay-q7fqzdl9t




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