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    An appalling and unprecedented fire overnight has killed an unknown people at Latimer Road, in the Ladbroke Grove area of west London. It is one of many similar blocks of social housing constructed across London in the 1970s. It is too soon to know the cause. Reports on RTE are saying that residents had been advised not to leave their flats in a fire as the block was 1 hour fire proofed. It had recently been reclad.

    Terrible event. The Mayor of London Sadiq Khan is belatedly saying that tower blocks may have been under-maintained and bad fire safety advice given.

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    The residents association blog has been warning of fire hazard for years, and recently specifically about the building's refit.

    https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpres...with-fire/amp/
    https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpres...l-a-fire-risk/

    In October 2015 a fire ripped through another KCTMO property, the 14 storey Adair Tower in North Kensington, causing mass panic and resulting in a number of residents taken to hospital suffering from smoke inhalation. It is reported that had it not been for the swift actions of the London Fire Brigade the consequences of this fire and potential loss of life could have been much worse.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ensington.html
    In the aftermath of the Adair Tower fire the London Fire Brigade found that the KCTMO had not been looking after the safety of residents properly and issued an Enforcement Order compelling them to improve the fire safety in the escape staircases and to provide self closing devices to all the tower block’s front doors. A further audit by the London Fire Brigade of the neighbouring Hazelwood Tower (located alongside Adair Tower) found similar breaches of health and safety legislation and an Enforcement Order was also issued for this property forcing the TMO to address the serious concerns of the Fire Brigade’s inspectors. What is shocking is that a decade ago a fatality occurred due to a fire at Hazelwood Tower and the Fire Investigation Team ordered that the grills on the fire escape staircase be covered over. This never happened and it is believed that the uncovered grills at Adair House (Hazelwood Tower’s twin block) acted like a chimney and were responsible for the accelerated spread of the fire and smoke damage.
    https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpres...l-a-fire-risk/

    Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation (KCTMO) , whatever that it, is the landlord - it would previously have been run by the local authority.

    I know this building well from years back, and the others around it. Even without smoke, to get from top to bottom via the emergency stairs was a challenge. Dreadful to think of people trapped there.
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    Appalling. I remember the Ronan Point gas explosion too. Wonder why helicopters are not used in fire fighting more often?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Og View Post
    Wonder why helicopters are not used in fire fighting more often?
    Very tricky... main argument against using helicopters would be the rotor wash fanning the flames. Another reason being that there is no guarantee that a helicopter can approach the roof again to retrieve a previously inserted helo high-rise team of firefighters when things get out of control (making it a virtual suicide mission).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    Very tricky... main argument against using helicopters would be the rotor wash fanning the flames. Another reason being that there is no guarantee that a helicopter can approach the roof again to retrieve a previously inserted helo high-rise team of firefighters when things get out of control (making it a virtual suicide mission).
    There should be some form of evacuation plan.
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    People living in high-rises don't want to hear about evacuation plans and regular fire drills as it only makes them too aware of being stuck in a potential death trap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    People living in high-rises don't want to hear about evacuation plans and regular fire drills as it only makes them too aware of being stuck in a potential death trap.
    The residents seem to have been kicking up about fire safety for years.
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    That they did but they were more concerned of health and safety standards rather than the lack of "evacuation plans".
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    Tragic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    That they did but they were more concerned of health and safety standards rather than the lack of "evacuation plans".
    Both are needed. The cladding seems to have gone up like a firework. What ever happened to Building Regs and British Safety Standards ? Not in tune with Austerity ?
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    These old tower blocks are being externally clad with combustible materials to increase thermal insulation to meet modern standards.

    There are apparently alternatives that would not burn.

    Arnold Tarling, a chartered surveyor at Hindwoods and a fire safety expert, says the elephant in the room is the flammability of insulation panels that are being used to clad postwar buildings to bring them up to date with today’s thermal standards. A recent £8.7m refurbishment of Grenfell Tower saw the building clad with “ACM cassette rainscreen” panels, an aluminium composite material covering insulation panels, which could have caused the fire to spread more quickly up the facade of the tower.

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    “The issue is that, under building regulations, only the surface of the cladding has to be fire-proofed to class 0, which is about surface spread,” says Tarling. “The stuff behind it doesn’t, and it’s this which has burned.” He says he recently inspected a new-build eight storey block in south-east London where there was no fire protection in the external cavity walls. “The insulation behind the external cladding is flammable polyurethane. I know because I took a chunk out and burned it.”


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    The richest borough, in the richest city in the fifth richest country in the world.
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    Such a horrible mess and tragedy. Hard to know why they went ahead with such dangerous cladding and against the wishes of the occupants. In this day and age the way it went ahead seems more corrupt than accidental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    Such a horrible mess and tragedy. Hard to know why they went ahead with such dangerous cladding and against the wishes of the occupants. In this day and age the way it went ahead seems more corrupt than accidental.
    'An exercise in vanity.'' So said one local of the external cladding. Designed it seems to beautify/disguise social housing.

    More of an eyesore now i imagine in full view of ''the rich mans blocks''
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    One stairwell, one exit, no fire-escapes. That arises from the belief that alternative staircases would become hang-outs for drug dealers etc.

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