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    Oh well...

    Police rush to London Bridge after reports of van hitting pedestrians.
    Sky sources: Believed to be Terrorism.... Gunfire on London Bridge. Prime Minister in contact with officials.
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    Reports of 'three incidents' but the areas are all very close to each other. When the dust settles, will likely be same people involved in all three incidents, I'd guess.

    Edit: Perhaps not, looking at the map, Vauxhall is a good 4km from London Bridge.
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    7 dead dozens wounded in van and knife attack in London.
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    Three jihadis shot dead by armed police, SAS "Blue Thunder" deployed to hunt down missing suspect.
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    Selling arms to Saudis keeps Britain safe. Ditto nuclear missiles. It's just not exactly clear how this works....

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    ^ And apparently banning free speech on the internet, which May has now pledged to do, also keeps Britain safe.

    What a useless charlatan she is.
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    Millwall supporter fought the 3 London knife men with bare fists (and predictable results). "F you, I'm Millwall". Sometimes I think that (some of the) Ultras are the best hope for the planet.


    http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-35795151.html
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    A bit of a copycat in the recent ''London bridge and knife attack''

    Has anyone seen the footage of the 3 attackers on cctv at the rear of a gym prior to the London attack? It shows them arriving, one stumbling, steadying himself and laughing. You'll notice an object like a mobile phone in his hand [the guy who stumbled] as he turns round having stumbled. Tell me, was that object in his hand before he stumbled or did he use the stumble to disguise retrieving the object from under the pallet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    A bit of a copycat in the recent ''London bridge and knife attack''

    Has anyone seen the footage of the 3 attackers on cctv at the rear of a gym prior to the London attack? It shows them arriving, one stumbling, steadying himself and laughing. You'll notice an object like a mobile phone in his hand [the guy who stumbled] as he turns round having stumbled. Tell me, was that object in his hand before he stumbled or did he use the stumble to disguise retrieving the object from under the pallet?
    Pretty sure not. The man threw the mobile onto a pile of materials as he left - not dropped - threw. He went out, then came back almost immediately and leaned over to pick it up. Why did he get rid of his phone just then ?? Not to be listened in to ?

    The pallet he stepped on to tipped him up, as he picked it up.
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    The Times today has a story about how the bomber made his bomb by looking at Youtube videos.

    I haven't read it as yet, but it does not sound credible on the face of it. The 'accidentally released' photographs of the bomb published by US intelligence showed it, reportedly, to have a complex mechanism to allow it to be set off remotely. I am not clear from the report whether or not it may have been in fact set off remotely, not by the carrier.
    The US reports described the bomb as complex and sophisticated.

    Is it credible that a lone suicide bomber would, or could, make such a device ?

    Can the possibility be ruled out that he intended to plant the bomb and leave and that it was exploded remotely ?


    According to ex M15 David Shayler, who is now either in reality a nut or posing as one, but who was employed in covert M15 work relating to Libya, the bomber, Abeji, is the son of "Tunbridge" the M16 agent who liaised with the British to set up the Islamic Fighting Group assassination attack on Gadhaffi in the 1990s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The US reports described the bomb as complex and sophisticated.

    Is it credible that a lone suicide bomber would, or could, make such a device ?

    Can the possibility be ruled out that he intended to plant the bomb and leave and that it was exploded remotely ?
    You could land yourself a ''communicating information useful to terrorists'' charge answering those questions in detail.

    In answer to your first......Yes.
    As to the second.... No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    You could land yourself a ''communicating information useful to terrorists'' charge answering those questions in detail.

    In answer to your first......Yes.
    As to the second.... No.
    Maybe a lone bomber could have made it, but why would he go to the trouble of making it in a much more complex way, in a way that would enable someone else to trigger it remotely, if he was working alone and intended to blow himself up ?

    There is always a rush by the media and police to label these incidents as suicide bombings. In this case there is a question mark over whether that is the case or not. We would never have known that without the US info leakage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Maybe a lone bomber could have made it, but why would he go to the trouble of making it in a much more complex way, in a way that would enable someone else to trigger it remotely, if he was working alone and intended to blow himself up ?

    There is always a rush by the media and police to label these incidents as suicide bombings. In this case there is a question mark over whether that is the case or not. We would never have known that without the US info leakage.
    What exactly did the US leak as to the bombs ''sophistication?'' Alot to your point depends on the ''range of the remote control.''

    Now, if you were to ask me could an individual be tricked into being a suicide bomber by some shady secret service agency my answer would be yes.
    If i was handling such an individual i'd have him acting as an agent provocateur around his local mosque, thus setting himself up. Then i'd have him working security, tricking him into thinking he's testing security at events and working as a legit agent and blow him to f.u.c.k. when it suited me.

    In the aftermath his local Imam would tell of a guy turned radical. But would a security service be up to the like of that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    What exactly did the US leak as to the bombs ''sophistication?'' Alot to your point depends on the ''range of the remote control.''

    Now, if you were to ask me could an individual be tricked into being a suicide bomber by some shady secret service agency my answer would be yes.
    If i was handling such an individual i'd have him acting as an agent provocateur around his local mosque, thus setting himself up. Then i'd have him working security, tricking him into thinking he's testing security at events and working as a legit agent and blow him to f.u.c.k. when it suited me.

    In the aftermath his local Imam would tell of a guy turned radical. But would a security service be up to the like of that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

    This is the report from the NY Times. The bomb was said to be in the back pack, not in a belt. No certainty about means of detonation.

    What you describe makes me think of Boston, where those two guys dropped off back packs in the middle of a 'family day out' occasion and walked away from them.

    It is even possible that this one in Manchester exploded prematurely.

    The fact that he is the son of a key M16 asset in Libya surely makes it just a little improbable that he would have been deliberately set up and killed by British intelligence ?

    It also doesn't make a lot of sense to me that this man whose father had worked closely with the British to get rid of Gadaffi would be driven with zeal to attack a teen pop concert in the U.K.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...otos.html?_r=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    This is the report from the NY Times. The bomb was said to be in the back pack, not in a belt. No certainty about means of detonation.

    What you describe makes me think of Boston, where those two guys dropped off back packs in the middle of a 'family day out' occasion and walked away from them.

    It is even possible that this one in Manchester exploded prematurely.

    The fact that he is the son of a key M16 asset in Libya surely makes it just a little improbable that he would have been deliberately set up and killed by British intelligence ?

    It also doesn't make a lot of sense to me that this man whose father had worked closely with the British to get rid of Gadaffi would be driven with zeal to attack a teen pop concert in the U.K.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...otos.html?_r=0
    Too much detail missing for me, such as type of explosive. That would be evident from the scene. Traces would be left on the bomber or any remnants of whatever he carried it in. From the sound recording at the concert i'd say it was home made explosives of the type similar to the London bombers, who also used backpacks.

    There's every possibility of a premature explosion. Static interference in his communication system between trigger and detonator or someone may simply have bumped into him. Considering the crowded environment.

    Remember also there's a blue suitcase somewhere that the bomber was seen wheeling through town. That too could contain a bomb and depending on the ''sophistication'' of the bomb maker and his plot, more than one device could be triggered.

    Anything is possible. Just thinking about that you'd hope the train station attached to the concert venue was thoroughly searched. Ideal place for a secondary device to be hidden..., say in a locker.
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