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    Middle of night political junkie insomnia possibly but I thought I'd make a record of my Facebook attempted analysis :

    Background: Netherlands is seen as a neo-liberal model after the King announced the 'end of the welfare state' in 2013
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-8822421.html
    Property owners are obliged to sell up and live off proceeds before being allowed access to the remaining welfare I read somewhere. A going on 'survivalist' model has replaced the old generous welfare for long term unemployed in Germany (80 euro a week basic after 2 years I read) and even Sweden (413 a month is the basic payment I researched). The myth of generous welfare states being foolishly sold by some still is based on remaining generous short term payments and redesigned middle class paternity leave and so on. Believe it if you want, but I am quite worried being old and long term unemployed about what is coming

    'Live results' broadly confirm exit poll . Populist to extreme right PVV gains were hyped by lazy journos and werent impressive. The centre to middle left Green Left are actual biggest gainers to around 9%/14 seats (up 7%).
    The middle left Socialist party dropped marginally to 9%/14 seats .
    A centre left immigrant party DENK won 2%/3 seats and far leftish animal rights 3%/5.
    The total leftish vote around 23%/31 seats if you want to include the latter.

    A pensioners party from labour pool around 3%. The left neo-lib D66 at 12%/19 seats , while the collapsed labour party PVDA about 6%/9 seats , So the 19% dropped by PVDA went mostly leftside but many went right and populist/extreme right it is likely https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...therlands-live

    Said live results Live results via above https://lfverkiezingen.appspot.com/nos/widget/main.html

    Summary and links on parties here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...election,_2017

    Green Left background is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GroenLinks (their manifesto promise jobs to the long term unemployed as they dont like welfare dependency for instance)
    Socialist Party here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social..._(Netherlands) - These guys have stagnated , the above have the momentum now
    Last edited by GregTimo; 16-03-2017 at 03:47 AM.

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    Thanks for that very useful analysis.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    The SP now has significantly more seats than the PvdA. This may be very significant in the next few years. Meanwhile, the mainstream media are overjoyed at Rutte's (relative) victory.

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    The SP stagnated . I can only speculate why but it seems though former Maoists/Maoist originated are very good at organising once they become left populists (they have also broken through in Belgium in the form of the Workers party -PT/PVDA ), they have a ceiling they cant get past. A broader left thing is obviously needed with the Green Left taking a youth vote . Anyhow better put analysis here (one a dutch SP member)
    https://www.greenleft.org.au/content...stronger-right

    On the Belgian crowd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker...rty_of_Belgium
    http://links.org.au/node/3951
    Note they are only 'far left' originated and seem same as the Dutch SP and aligning with the Euro Left GUE/NGL also . My term for such is 'middle left'. The French speaking section PTB probably can claim credit for wiping out the local National Front electorally which I find very significant given the situation In France itself but they ll likely run into the same wall as their Dutch comrades ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...deral_election
    Last edited by GregTimo; 17-03-2017 at 01:13 PM.

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    A comprehensive account is hard to find, but in my view the Dutch 'Green Left' are damned sensible in refusing to be browbeaten into a 'center-right' coalition in what sounds like the most neo-liberal country in Western Europe (A tax haven as bad as Ireland, the Netherlands welfare state was pronounced dead by the king a few years ago and their Labour party was all but wiped out in the election this year due their impotence in failing to stop it happening ) Before accessing the remaining welfare people have to sell off any property and live off the proceeds till it runs out, I read. Imagine that here? For more background see the 1st post. This is why people shouldnt be burying their heads for the summer In Ireland as is unwisely traditional here, we would be damned foolish to get overly reliant on the recovery of British Labour to protect us (the situation in the UK is maybe not quite as bad as Holland but it nearly is, and significantly worse than here)
    http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive...cabinet-talks/

    Google translate gives an idea about what they think themselves https://groenlinks.nl/nieuws/klaver-...ie-niet-gelukt

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    nearly there

    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer

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    Well thanks be to F the Green Left managed to stay out . They would ve followed Dutch Labour to the grave in no time flat I imagine. There's always the hope that along with the odd ex-Maoist Socialists and what remains of Dutch Labour they can offer an alternative next time

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tion-coalition

    One of the worst countries for media AFAIK about all I can find in English since Radio Netherlands site went really odd and stopped doing news basically( https://www.rnw.org/news )

    http://www.dutchnews.nl/

    The party links via the wiki ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_...election,_2017 )being the only other source I can find (little in English , but the SP has an English section https://international.sp.nl/ )

    The leftside OP vote outside GL is currently further down (including the stagnated SP) probably in sheer depression https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...neral_election
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    Am I the only one who still calls it Holland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    Am I the only one who still calls it Holland?
    No, but it was confusing with a certain President Holland for a while. Besides I recall reading that Holland is only a part of the Netherlands and so it says here too https://www.holland.com/global/touri...vs-holland.htm

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