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    The count is on and reports are that turn out is higher than last year (60%), particularly in areas that might vote Sinn Fein.

    The big question is not Ash for Cash (everyone was guilty) .

    Brexit may affect the vote in odd ways. The DUP is Eurosceptic, SF less so, and the majority of the population in the North not in favour of Brexit.

    Following this on the Belfast Telegraph -

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-35495537.html
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    60% is not accurate. Fermanagh and West Tyrone alone have 73%. It looks like it could average around 70%.

    A possible 15% increase in people voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    60% is not accurate. Fermanagh and West Tyrone alone have 73%. It looks like it could average around 70%.

    A possible 15% increase in people voting.
    The may shift again by the time the count is complete - but it's a very big increase.
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    Latest Results31/90 Seats Filled
    14SF
    9DUP
    4AP
    2SDLP
    2UUP

    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/p...-35499601.html
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    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer

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    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer

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    Looks like a poor election for the SDLP? The UUP leader has resigned, will there be pressure on the SDLP leader also?
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    For an understanding of why Eamonn McCann wasn't returned, you could do worse than listen to this interview, which is worth listening to for entertainment value alone. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08dqtwk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceannaire View Post
    For an understanding of why Eamonn McCann wasn't returned, you could do worse than listen to this interview, which is worth listening to for entertainment value alone. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08dqtwk
    Eamonn belongs in the 1970's where he should have stayed.

    The man is admirable but clueless. He is a philosopher not a politician. His party are equally clueless and I have no doubt he had a big hand in steering them towards supporting Brexit which was a stupid stupid move electorally.

    The people at home don't want Brexit, they want a reformed EU. Personally I think a United Ireland within the EU could easily abrogate the more punitive EU treaties-in the Republic we could easily repeal the Fiskal Pakt and the Lisbon Treaty for a start as they are hated and were forced through by fear- i.e. never leave but sabotage the integration plot from the inside would be a clever long term game but PBP are braindead and favour simplistic solutions to everything.

    SF-SDLP = 39 seats DUP/UUP = 38. Mathematically, and in a normal democracy, the Alliance Party and Greens would be kingmakers.

    I understand though that Unionists HAVE to be in govt. with Republicans or the Brits won't allow it. But the UUP seem to be angry at Nesbitt for even trying to work with any Republican party so what chance of ousting the DUP at all.

    My general view is that SF are the only credible force on the left right now, along with some Independents and minor parties, but PBP is not one of those.

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    My only prediction now is that Arlene is safe for a few years yet and that Nesbitt's resignation will force the UUP leadership away from a moderate centrist position to a TUV style role as they all try to out do the DUP.

    SF are not a million miles away from being the largest party though. 5-10 years.

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    Number of seats by party
    Party
    Seats
    % 1st Pref
    DUP
    28
    28.08%
    SF
    27
    27.93%
    SDLP
    12
    11.95%
    UUP
    10
    12.81%
    AP
    8
    9.06%
    IND/O
    4
    10.17%

    We came within a whisker of real change.

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    Change is inevitable.

    The reality is that the North of Ireland has remained miserably impoverished compared with most of the UK and is a backwater economically. The more the UK cuts its social services the less affiliation there will be. Brexit Both sides of the border - if the Republic can avoid bankrupting itself - would benefit enormously from unification - if it could offer a better regime of social services and employment conditions than the North - and secularises education and health.

    UK troublemakers will be looking at this result, no doubt. And all those troublesome economic risk factors. But otherwise, geography has reasserted itself and a united Ireland is back on the agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Change is inevitable.

    The reality is that the North of Ireland has remained miserably impoverished compared with most of the UK and is a backwater economically. The more the UK cuts its social services the less affiliation there will be. Brexit Both sides of the border - if the Republic can avoid bankrupting itself - would benefit enormously from unification - if it could offer a better regime of social services and employment conditions than the North - and secularises education and health.

    UK troublemakers will be looking at this result, no doubt. And all those troublesome economic risk factors. But otherwise, geography has reasserted itself and a united Ireland is back on the agenda.
    I was surprised how little discussion of Brexit took place in the Rte coverage I heard. It was all personality based. Arlene's unfortunate manner , attacks on Gaeilge etc. The renewable energy fiasco was doubtless a factor but surely Brexit looms over every other consideration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Og View Post
    I was surprised how little discussion of Brexit took place in the Rte coverage I heard. It was all personality based. Arlene's unfortunate manner , attacks on Gaeilge etc. The renewable energy fiasco was doubtless a factor but surely Brexit looms over every other consideration?
    RTE talks about Trump purely in terms of "did he have a Presidential manner or not". The standard of news coverage by that station has turned to mush.

    Brexit is a very serious change for the Irish economy and politics.
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