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    I think the DUP, in particular Sammy Wilson and Emma Little Pengelly need to ask senior PSNI for a security briefing as last time i heard they [PSNI] were fighting day and daily to keep the lid on violence erupting in the North.

    While at the same time i strongly suspect a bit of a black op by the forces that be to instigate or fabricate a security situation leading to a hardening of borders and blaming violent dissidents, the stench of pish leaking from both DUP members via tweets is perfumed somewhat more by the bad breath legislation proposed by Karen Bradley who by her own admissions has'nt a clue about the North.

    Quote.. The Irish PM said: "I just wanted to make sure that there was no sense in the room that in any way anyone in Ireland, or in the Irish government, was exaggerating the risk of a return to violence in Ireland."

    Responding to his comments, DUP MP Sammy Wilson hit out at his "use of a victim of the IRA," describing it as "scraping the bottom of the barrel".

    Mr Wilson accused Mr Varadkar of stirring up "false fears about barriers along the border".

    "His behaviour is despicable, low and rotten," he added.

    DUP MP Emma Little-Pengelly tweeted: "Foolish and dangerous talk - common sense must prevail here.

    "The hardening of the border during the Troubles was a result of security issues due to paramilitary violence - not customs, tariffs etc."

    In her post-summit press conference Theresa May said the idea of having the option to extend the transition period could be "a further solution" to the search for a "backstop" to ensure no hard border. unquote.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45906037

    And Pengelly, wind your neck in and accept that it was the denial of civil rights on the part of Unionism that sparked violence in the North. Somewhat similar to the equality rights denied by your party when in power at Stormont. Not to mention shady heating schemes robbing the taxpayer.
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    I don't know. Could someone explain to me were ''politics has moved on''? What i'm reading is ''forked tongue politics''.

    Quote.. Sinn Féin would accept Arlene Foster returning as first minister if there was a deal to restore devolution, the party's MLA John O'Dowd has said.

    They had previously demanded that Mrs Foster step aside while the Renewable Heat Incentive scandal is investigated.

    But Mr O'Dowd said two years on from Stormont's collapse, Sinn Féin would "not object" if the DUP nominated her.

    It reflects recent remarks of Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald, who said in June: "Politics has moved on." unquote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    I don't know. Could someone explain to me were ''politics has moved on''? What i'm reading is ''forked tongue politics''.

    Quote.. Sinn Féin would accept Arlene Foster returning as first minister if there was a deal to restore devolution, the party's MLA John O'Dowd has said.

    They had previously demanded that Mrs Foster step aside while the Renewable Heat Incentive scandal is investigated.

    But Mr O'Dowd said two years on from Stormont's collapse, Sinn Féin would "not object" if the DUP nominated her.

    It reflects recent remarks of Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald, who said in June: "Politics has moved on." unquote.
    Mary Lou McDonald started out in Fianna Fail and left it because they would not promote her fast enough. She melted down Sinn Fein's vote in the Presidential election, basic neglect and mismanagement.

    Let's face it, Sinn Fein in a post combat era is Fianna Fail, more or less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Mary Lou McDonald started out in Fianna Fail and left it because they would not promote her fast enough. She melted down Sinn Fein's vote in the Presidential election, basic neglect and mismanagement.

    Let's face it, Sinn Fein in a post combat era is Fianna Fail, more or less.
    I heard chat she might jump ship again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Mary Lou McDonald started out in Fianna Fail and left it because they would not promote her fast enough. She melted down Sinn Fein's vote in the Presidential election, basic neglect and mismanagement.

    Let's face it, Sinn Fein in a post combat era is Fianna Fail, more or less.
    • The Presidential Election was a lap of honour for Micky D, an extraordinary vote of popularity for him personally and most definitely not a party political vote for his Labour Party connection.

    • Peter Casey harnessed a large cross-party anti-traveller vote that further degraded any party political slant to the vote.

    • Any SF candidate would have been humiliated in that contest, including the big beast that a Gerry Adams candidacy would have been.


    The Casey and Higgins factors were beyond Mary-Lou's control, but the selection of LNR was most likely in Mary-Lou's control. So why was the little known South-Westerner LNR selected? I'd hazard a guess that she wasn't selected to put in a serious challenge for the Presidency but that she was selected as a future front-bench type/Minister in waiting to raise her national profile before she was to hopefully get elected in the next GE off the back of her Presidential run.

    SF need some more critical mass across the country. Looking at the exit-polling on LNRs vote it appears that she exit-polled 9% in the Munster and Connacht-Ulster regions ( where she would have lost potential votes to the Casey factor which was strongest in those regions ) vs the 5% she exit-polled in Dublin/Eastern region. On boosting SF in Munster the candidacy of LNR has probably been a success, on bragging rights terms it's been a gift for those always claiming SF will fizzle out.


    On the squandering of SFs vote. The Red C Exit Poll conveniently put SF on the same 15% as they were in the previous Red C's with FG conveniently on a ridiculous high of 35% mirroring the high 30%s that FG got in last series of Red C polls. No change there for SF so no squandering?


    Meanwhile the middle-class acceptability that Mary-Lou actually brings to the leadership of SF has seen SF on 24% in 3 opinion polls since May this year. No squandering, just more slow and steady progress in the midst of the difficult enough political climate of centre-right ascendancy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post

    Let's face it, Sinn Fein in a post combat era is Fianna Fail, more or less.
    Fianna Fail in talks with the SDLP about a merger. Where would that leave Sinn Fein?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    Fianna Fail in talks with the SDLP about a merger. Where would that leave Sinn Fein?

    Good post Shaadi above.
    I would suggest it leaves SF as "not FF". which is a pretty good place to be. FF are on a hiding to nothing by this proposed merger. We've already seen a high ranking SDLP member (Clare Hannah) baulking publicly at the prospect, then showing up at Labour's "conference" at the weekend.

    Taking a rational look at this:

    Nationalists will firstly ask "Where the ***** were you for the last 100 years?" followed by "who the ***** do you think you are rocking up after the heavy lifting is done?"
    Unionists will say "Aren't ye the lads that first armed the provisionals?"
    Those in the SDLP who would lean towards FG, Labour and believe it or not, SF, will have to **** or get off the pot, splitting what is already a rump party.

    We've already seen the debacle of FF saying that Sorcha McAnespie (a card carrying member of FF, who sits on that party's Ard Comhairle as a member of the committee of 15), being denied a FF ticket after it was publicly unveiled.

    I'd SF are worried alright. Worried about the physical damage a prolonged bout of laughing can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollandia View Post
    I would suggest it leaves SF as "not FF". which is a pretty good place to be. FF are on a hiding to nothing by this proposed merger. We've already seen a high ranking SDLP member (Clare Hannah) baulking publicly at the prospect, then showing up at Labour's "conference" at the weekend.

    Taking a rational look at this:

    Nationalists will firstly ask "Where the ***** were you for the last 100 years?" followed by "who the ***** do you think you are rocking up after the heavy lifting is done?"
    Unionists will say "Aren't ye the lads that first armed the provisionals?"
    Those in the SDLP who would lean towards FG, Labour and believe it or not, SF, will have to **** or get off the pot, splitting what is already a rump party.

    We've already seen the debacle of FF saying that Sorcha McAnespie (a card carrying member of FF, who sits on that party's Ard Comhairle as a member of the committee of 15), being denied a FF ticket after it was publicly unveiled.

    I'd SF are worried alright. Worried about the physical damage a prolonged bout of laughing can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    It's basically an admission that Stormont is done and is never, ever coming back.
    Would'nt be surprised if Karen Bradley wrote up a bit of legislation to unbind herself from calling a United Ireland referendum in the near future. She done something similar very recently in relation to calls for 6 Counties [Stormont] elections.

    Would that alleviate Unionist concerns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    Would'nt be surprised if Karen Bradley wrote up a bit of legislation to unbind herself from calling a United Ireland referendum in the near future. She done something similar very recently in relation to calls for 6 Counties [Stormont] elections.

    Would that alleviate Unionist concerns?
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...ment-1.3697971

    Look at the text of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement, Ireland chapter. It contains such nuggets as:

    AFFIRMING that the Good Friday or Belfast Agreement of 10 April 1998 between the Government of the United Kingdom, the Government of Ireland and the other participants in the multi-party negotiations (the “1998 Agreement”), which is annexed to the British-Irish Agreement of the same date (the “British-Irish Agreement”), including its subsequent implementation agreements and arrangements, should be protected in all its parts,

    RECOGNISING that cooperation between Northern Ireland and Ireland is a central part of the 1998 Agreement and is essential for achieving reconciliation and the normalisation of relationships on the island of Ireland, and recalling the roles, functions and safeguards of the Northern Ireland Executive, the Northern Ireland Assembly, and the North-South Ministerial Council (including cross-community provisions), as set out in the 1998 Agreement,

    NOTING that Union law has provided a supporting framework to the provisions on Rights, Safeguards and Equality of Opportunity of the 1998 Agreement,

    RECOGNISING that Irish citizens in Northern Ireland, by virtue of their Union citizenship, will continue to enjoy, exercise and have access to rights, opportunities and benefits, and that this Protocol should respect and be without prejudice to the rights, opportunities and identity that come with citizenship of the Union for the people of Northern Ireland who choose to assert their right to Irish citizenship as defined in Annex 2 of the British-Irish Agreement “Declaration on the Provisions of Paragraph (vi) of Article 1 in Relation to Citizenship”,

    RECALLING that the United Kingdom remains committed to protecting and supporting continued North-South and East-West cooperation across the full range of political, economic, security, societal and agricultural contexts and frameworks of cooperation, including the continued operation of the North-South implementation bodies,

    ACKNOWLEDGING the need for this Protocol to be implemented so as to maintain the necessary conditions for continued North-South cooperation, including for possible new arrangements in accordance with the 1998 Agreement,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    This show is over, and we merely await arrival of the comfortably-upholstered matronly vocalist.
    After some more DUP/Unionist huffing and puffing.
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