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    Hard to see how this is not the end of powersharing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    Hard to see how this is not the end of powersharing.
    Which could get interesting.

    For 40 years both governments and the Deefer commentariat have been waffling on about the Republicans being the problem; and 6-county power-sharing in a Unionist-majority Stormont (read:a few trinkets to placate the inferior fenian peasantry) being the solution.

    What happens when they have to confront the reality that the actual problem is the ultra-reactionary, uber-sectarian, racist, xenophobic, religious-fundamentalist, misogynistic, homophobic, supremacist and generally just plain nasty nature of Unionism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    Which could get interesting.

    For 40 years both governments and the Deefer commentariat have been waffling on about the Republicans being the problem; and 6-county power-sharing in a Unionist-majority Stormont (read:a few trinkets to placate the inferior fenian peasantry) being the solution.

    What happens when they have to confront the reality that the actual problem is the ultra-reactionary, uber-sectarian, racist, xenophobic, religious-fundamentalist, misogynistic, homophobic, supremacist and generally just plain nasty nature of Unionism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    Which could get interesting.

    For 40 years both governments and the Deefer commentariat have been waffling on about the Republicans being the problem; and 6-county power-sharing in a Unionist-majority Stormont (read:a few trinkets to placate the inferior fenian peasantry) being the solution.

    What happens when they have to confront the reality that the actual problem is the ultra-reactionary, uber-sectarian, racist, xenophobic, religious-fundamentalist, misogynistic, homophobic, supremacist and generally just plain nasty nature of Unionism?
    So what solution do you propose? The secular republican argument against the GFA IIRC was that it copperfastened and codified type of sectarianism, albeit peaceful sectarianism. Are we now seeing the end result? Are the demographics the elephant in the room here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    Showbiz.
    How do you mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    How do you mean?
    Enjoy the fireworks and hope for the best-in my view that would be any govt. including any party except the DUP and TUV.

    Of course such a thing probably won't happen, but with Brexit and Corruption scandals in the air, we can always dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    So what solution do you propose? The secular republican argument against the GFA IIRC was that it copperfastened and codified type of sectarianism, albeit peaceful sectarianism. Are we now seeing the end result? Are the demographics the elephant in the room here?
    The solution remains what it has always been, we've spent a century dancing around it. Unionism needs to be brought to heel. A century of pandering to their extremist nutjob reactionary views has not brought them any closer to being in any way acceptable well-behaved neighbours.

    What happens if the nationalist community en masse decide (again) to withdraw consent from the entire farce that is trying to pretend NornIrn can ever function? What happens if the nationalist vote simply evaporates in this election showing that nationalists have decided Unionism is irredeemable and any attempt to share power with them within a 6-county framework is simply pointless?

    Unionism has had twenty years now to prove that it is even remotely capable of adhering to modern democratic principles (and by "modern" I of course mean "post-Enlightenment") and that their little cesspit of a statelet is somewhat reformable.

    They failed.

    Unionism is fundamentally incompatible with anything beyond the 18th century never mind the 21st, and NornIrn is the inevitable result. Like I said, before we arrive at a solution we have to be honest about the actual problem - and for 40 years the standard official narrative and diagnosis of NornIrn has been just plain Wrong. It's going to be hard for the political/media clique to admit that, but that's the blunt truth.

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    Steven Agnew, The Green Party leader is interesting.

    Apparently he was turned away from Unionist ideology in school because of teachers like Sammy Wilson.

    How bad do teachers have to be to make teenagers of their own 'community', largely indifferent, politically hate them.

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    http://www.irishnews.com/news/northe...ection-882483/

    DUP playing footsies with Alliance.

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    Here we go....

    Quote. Sinn Féin has declined to re-nominate a deputy first minister in a move set to collapse the powersharing executive in Belfast and trigger a snap election.

    Barring a highly unlikely U-turn by the republican party, the institutions will now fall at 5pm on Monday and Northern Ireland Secretary James Brokenshire will be legally obliged to call the election. unquote. http://www.itv.com/news/utv/update/2...ont-executive/
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    What do you think will happen Trow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    What do you think will happen Trow?
    Very much doubt there will be any U-turn. After a collapse and re-elections they'll be right back were we are now with some serious issues to be dealt with. I think whatever was or was not agreed during St.Andrews talks will be at the fore.

    I hear Caitriona Ruane is also stepping down and wont be standing for re-election. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-35369158.html
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    I think this years Easter rising commemoration speech by Sinn Fein will be interesting. A time when Irish Republicans assemble round Martyrs graves to reaffirm their commitment to the ideals set out in the Proclamation of 1916.

    All those meaningful words like, cherish, equality, freedom and more come haunting down the ages time after time.
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    The British have announced a snap election for 2nd March 2017.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/northern_ireland

    Quote.Mr Brokenshire again expressed concerns about how divisive an election could be and stressed that all the political parties must “think about the future of Northern Ireland”. unquote. http://www.itv.com/news/utv/update/2...land-election/

    That in itself is divisive. [Northern Ireland]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    Very much doubt there will be any U-turn. After a collapse and re-elections they'll be right back were we are now with some serious issues to be dealt with. I think whatever was or was not agreed during St.Andrews talks will be at the fore.

    I hear Caitriona Ruane is also stepping down and wont be standing for re-election. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-35369158.html
    My reading of it i that SF have had enough and want to make the north enough of a problem to force the Irish govt in particular to pay more attention.

    The reality is that SF do not need Stormont, Stormont needs them.

    But all in all I think we will see a lot of talking, maybe an Irish language act but no real change,

    SF are not about radical change anymore.

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