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    Was not really sure where to leave this but this man remains a hero of mine if only for his contempt and hatred of practically the entire Irish establishment of post-independence Ireland:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/polit...cian-1.2917820

    An informative if limitedly informative article. I will definitely be ordering his book.

    This man, along with 1 or 2 others, really was very good at pissing inside and outside the tent. Qualities to be admired imo.
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    Agree. Just about the only political hero I have left at this point!
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    Before anyone jumps on me though the topic was in the Irish Times so I thought it would be worth discussing some of his legacy as well as the limited but vocal impact he had in opposition.

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    I bought this book a few years ago but never got around to reading it... This should serve as impetus
    The United Irishman. Updated 5/2/14

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    Read the book a long time ago. Well worth a read, and compare it to the various "biographies" written since. His recounting of a visit to John Charles MccQuaid still makes my blood boil.

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    Where is our Noel Browne to sort the housing shortage out ?
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    On the off chance that any of you don't take the Irish Times , thought I would put up this excellent letter from yesterdays paper of record.
    Sir, – In marking the 30th anniversary of the publication of Noël Browne’s autobiography, Against the Tide, Michael O’Regan underplays, if anything, the absurdity of the opposition to the 1951 mother and child scheme (“The furthest thing from a career politician”, December 26th).
    Browne had been impressed by the United Kingdom’s comprehensive National Health Service, which had been welcomed by the English Catholic hierarchy as a manifestation of Catholic social teaching as espoused in Pope Leo XIII’s encyclical Rerum Novarum.
    Confronted with the highest infant mortality in western Europe, Browne, as minister of health, planned to provide free medical care for expectant mothers and their children.
    This was described by the Irish Catholic hierarchy as “a ready-made instrument for future totalitarian aggression”.
    The primate of All Ireland, Cardinal John Dalton, Archbishop of Armagh, declined to say why NHS principles could not cross the Border.
    The collapse of the scheme may have been a setback for John A Costello, which brought down his government, but it was a calamity for the women and children of Ireland. – Yours, etc,
    ÁINE LAVELLO,
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    Yeah Michael O' Regan was always an establishment revisionist West-Brit capdoffing ********.

    The article itself is only noteworthy in so far as it contains a few footnotes.

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    Just started reading his book. Informative and interesting so far, if a little depressing and humourless.

    I'm just at the part where he has joined Clann na Poblachta.

    What an absolutely wretched time he and his family went through.

    He seems a very level headed man and gives a great insight into Ireland during the infantile new Free State years. His situation and experience is unusual though as he ends up exposed to and experiencing the upper echelons of the British schooling system.
    Consultants and those that controlled the Irish health service were rotten bastards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    Just started reading his book. Informative and interesting so far, if a little depressing and humourless.

    I'm just at the part where he has joined Clann na Poblachta.

    What an absolutely wretched time he and his family went through.

    He seems a very level headed man and gives a great insight into Ireland during the infantile new Free State years. His situation and experience is unusual though as he ends up exposed to and experiencing the upper echelons of the British schooling system.
    Consultants and those that controlled the Irish health service were rotten bastards.
    Read the book when it was first published and was much impressed. If I were living and voting in Ireland today, I think I would mostly but not exclusively vote FG.

    Back around 1980 I was living in the Artane constituency, and Browne was making in Artane what turned out to being his last election bid. I gave him my 1st pref, and perhaps/maybe Obama apart, it's the proudest vote of my life.

    Edit to add: I was also very proud to vote for Mary Robinson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Read the book when it was first published and was much impressed. If I were living and voting in Ireland today, I think I would mostly but not exclusively vote FG.

    Back around 1980 I was living in the Artane constituency, and Browne was making in Artane what turned out to being his last election bid. I gave him my 1st pref, and perhaps/maybe Obama apart, it's the proudest vote of my life.

    Edit to add: I was also very proud to vote for Mary Robinson.
    Why would you vote FG though? That is a long way from Browne's politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    Why would you vote FG though? That is a long way from Browne's politics.
    I value the integrity of my individual representatives, way above any party ideology.
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    Browne was part of my inspiration for joining the Socialist Labour Party around 79 but that experience was very offputting with all the in fighting. Instead of intervening to try to sort it out Browne sadly withdrew and left it to poor old Matt Merrigan . The old hard left has still not recovered . Where's our Corbyn and co ? Anyhow I have joined the Social Democrats despite the lame name , but we need a coalition including Sinn Fein as the RTC unions wisely have copped to

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