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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceannaire View Post
    Recalling President Ford's (in)famous pardoning of Richard Nixon, is there any chance of a deal that would see a President Juppé do the same for Francois Fillon if the latter were to bow out? Would that even be possible?
    Fillon on second TV channel last night said he would do his term(s) if elected, with immunity, and then face the music! Such spectacular arrogance.

    In all this I ask myself who the hell were the 30+ thousand who turned up in the pissing rain at the Trocadero? Disillusioned commercants?

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    The 'Left' neo-liberal Macron has bought (or conned?) himself support from old 'lefties' in France
    (Just as Putin has by looks, though Macron is likely much less crooked? in the sense he wont be able to completely demolish the welfare state anyhow, Russia having one so pathetic as to be practically non existant) . Former French communist party leader does his bit here
    http://www.md-progressistes.fr/souti...on-robert-hue/
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    Macron is an opportunist, nothing new there, almost all the pretenders in Presidential '17 are opportunists. Despite his strange bedfellows, polls indicate he has passed out Ms LeP.

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    Receding hopes of a joint Left candidate in this report which concludes
    'Each of the candidates has its legitimacy, but the legitimacy of each does not interest the people of the left. They have to wake up. " They still have one month left.'
    http://www.regards.fr/web/article/un...croient-encore

    Meanwhile Hamon has been echoing the 'rupture' talk from the Melenchon camp . In the context this means rupture with 'Blairism' to 'Schroderism' and their own Vallism of course and the lame duck Holland having declared 'social democrat' last time makes it an especially dirty word in France ?
    http://www.humanite.fr/hamon-vante-u...sirable-633586

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    Melenchon appears to have a significant boost from Mondays big TV debate putting him ahead of Hamon (who has suffered a reverse) in the latest poll regularly listed in the wikis . Melenchon has been consistently ahead of Hamon in the oddball French-canadian polling firm Filteris's projections (people's values factored in somehow) , but this was the only one AFAIK . I've seen Melenchon interviewed on French TV3 and he is a great performer
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...election,_2017
    https://www.facebook.com/FILTERIS/?fref=nf
    http://www.humanite.fr/presidentiell...-droite-633715

    Either way it is way short of what would be needed to make the 2nd round, but will probably make it even less likely that Melenchon will pull out to favour Hamon. The pressure may now be on Hamon to pull out ? Voting intentions are deeply uncertain says Melenchon critical supporter (ex CP big wig) Roger Martelli quoting polling stats . I assume he's implying might as well support Melenchon then (as he best represents the desired 'rupture' , Martelli caring more about a long term struggle ) I remain unconvinced as Martelli is just a commentariat member and Melenchon is an obvious egotist (even the main websites of his Podemos clone 'France Insoumise' are in his name which causes me some dismay) but of course I am not a french voter just an irish one
    http://www.regards.fr/qui-veut-la-pe...rise-politique

    And just so we know what's at stake, scary documentary on a side movement of the extreme right . Head claims racism to be an outdated concept.
    No idea how significant, I'm long worried out
    https://www.channel4.com/news/france...om-the-shadows
    The French wikis are typically more detailed but I dont really want to know right now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloc_identitaire
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    Yes, various interesting wrinkles.

    But, the list of those jumping ship to join Macon, is probably the real measure of the result.

    The French right has been a political horror story for years. When they finally got Sarko in to the seat they make such a mess of it he was kicked out, and still is. Now the Left are going through the same catharthis. The result is a former Goldman exec and political opportunist gets in.

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    Though it's in a paper that some would dismiss (ex left co-op corporate bought), the article seems perceptive . http://www.liberation.fr/elections-p...gauche_1557932

    Melenchon leads Hamon in all 8 of the latest polls here . He looks a great TV performer on body language alone . I hope he's faking the egotist thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...election,_2017

    Apparently Melenchon camp refused to meet the Unity campaigners when their roving event in Paris reached their HQ yesterday
    '... Disenchanted by the division of their camp but confident that an "alliance of hope" is always possible, the sympathizers of the left then walked about thirty minutes to join the headquarters of "La France insoumise". No luck, they could not discuss with any representative of Jean-Luc Mélenchon, despite their cry of the heart launched from the street. .... '
    http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2017/03...dentielle-2017

    Other gossip indicated that Melenchon's camp idea of unity has been that Hamon withdraw . So that is hardly going to change

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    Yea, lots of pious hope..... the sondages are clear, so far, but even if they were way off Melonchon and the rest of the left leaning rabble are shooting themselves and everybody else in the communal foot, more is the pity.

    The only political hope, imo, in the autumn,is a hung presidency, viz. Macron and a hostile parliament.

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