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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    Seems that the "approved blacklist" of websites was just a Snowflake effort designed to impress the like-minded and censor sites that didn't agree with the HRC campaign. It has been rather well debunked.

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    Who debunked it, and how?
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    Interesting to see how this "Fake News" meme is being used to attempt to justify censorhip - even satire sites like the Onion are under attack .

    It is also being used to try to clean up some of the very real dirt around Hilary Clinton.

    Buzzfeed - who owns and runs that site ?? - published a story on so-called false news that claims that reportage of Assange's views (on Political Insider) on Clinton having funded jihadists including ISIS was fake news.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/viral-fake-election-news-outperformed-real-news-on-facebook?utm_term=.bi69eeoge#.fd8wJJqmJ

    But it came from the horse's mouth. You can read the emails and decide for yourself if you think he is right.

    http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/w...breaking-news/

    Further back up the thread, mention of the very real Clinton emails was smuggled into a list of so-called "Fake News".

    "Fake News" is a construct designed to enable and justify blanket censorship.
    Another important aspect to this is what Facebook are proposing to do about "fake news". For better or worse Facebook is where a lot of people get information from.
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    God that's really pathetic. Just to take one example : Jessica Valenti. She is a feminist who writes opinion pieces. This means she is colluding with Clinton? Should she write a misogynistic piece every other day to provide pro Trump balance? Maybe some vanilla porn ?

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    What is the definition of colluding here?

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    God that's really pathetic. Just to take one example : Jessica Valenti. She is a feminist who writes opinion pieces. This means she is colluding with Clinton? Should she write a misogynistic piece every other day to provide pro Trump balance? Maybe some vanilla porn ?
    It is the collusion (against Sanders) that got her on the list. Not her opinions. Or anything to do with Trump



    “Working with bloggers and columnists to write about this from a racial justice and reproductive rights perspective, including a few people who joined us on a call to talk about the “Bernie Backlash” that was unfolding even before his remarks last night—current list is Elianne Ramos, Jessica Valenti (who is writing a column on this as we speak), Jamil Smith, Sady Doyle, Aminatou Sow, Gabe Ortiz, and others”

    In case you missed it, the campaign staff decided to collaborate with Jessica Valenti and other bloggers to brand his statements as anti-human rights.

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    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/18566
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    What is the definition of colluding here?
    Being told what to write by Hillary's campaign staff and presenting it as personal opinion
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    When you post something without comment it's sometimes difficult to determine your intent. Are you posting with approval or disapproval? Then when you post something without both comment and attribution, as here, it can be even more difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Interesting to see how this "Fake News" meme is being used to attempt to justify censorhip - even satire sites like the Onion are under attack .

    It is also being used to try to clean up some of the very real dirt around Hilary Clinton.

    Buzzfeed - who owns and runs that site ?? - published a story on so-called false news that claims that reportage of Assange's views (on Political Insider) on Clinton having funded jihadists including ISIS was fake news.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/viral-fake-election-news-outperformed-real-news-on-facebook?utm_term=.bi69eeoge#.fd8wJJqmJ

    But it came from the horse's mouth. You can read the emails and decide for yourself if you think he is right.

    http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/w...breaking-news/

    Further back up the thread, mention of the very real Clinton emails was smuggled into a list of so-called "Fake News".

    "Fake News" is a construct designed to enable and justify blanket censorship.

    According to Pew, Buzzfeed is one of the least trusted news sources on the inter webs.

    http://gawker.com/no-one-trusts-buzzfeed-1648849856
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    According to Pew, Buzzfeed is one of the least trusted news sources on the inter webs.

    http://gawker.com/no-one-trusts-buzzfeed-1648849856
    Well, that is amusing. Thanks. One of the least trusted news sources on the interwebs, Buzzfeed, is running stories labelling other more trustworthy sources (Assange) as fake.

    Everyone is pointing the finger at everyone else. "It isn't me".

    It is up to readers to inform themselves on who they want to rely on. Before there was the internet there was tabloid news saying Elvis was alive and on the Moon etc.

    Before that there were street flyers/ leaflets spreading rumours.

    We are only hearing a lot about this now because the people have lost confidence in the mainstream media, because the mainstream media has by and large stopped doing honest journalism.
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    Who debunked it, and how?
    Well some of those who were blacklisted in the effort did a rather good job of exposing the lack of credibility (actual investigative journalism even if one doesn't agree with it) of the "list" and exposed the motivations and partisanship of the compiler. As for the list being a serious study or effort to deal with the problem of fake news sites, read the comments above on the complexity of the web, how these sites are created, developed and monetised.

    Regards...jmcc

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    Well some of those who were blacklisted in the effort did a rather good job of exposing the lack of credibility (actual investigative journalism even if one doesn't agree with it) of the "list" and exposed the motivations and partisanship of the compiler.


    As for the list being a serious study or effort to deal with the problem of fake news sites, read the comments above on the complexity of the web, how these sites are created, developed and monetised.

    Regards...jmcc

    I've not seen, heard, or read any such evidence, or comment on such evidence. Can you give me three examples of what you are referring to here? Just links to the pieces will do.I imagine that if a publication feels that it has been improperly blacklisted it will do a very thorough job of undermining the credibility of the blacklister, so it should be easy to find the evidence. There is of course an implied inherent double standard contradiction in your claim, i.e that the publications are entitled to motivations and partisanship, but that the list compiler is not.


    AFAIK she put the list together a guide for her students as an alternative reading list to the "MSM". It was not originally intended for general circulation, and had a series of caveats.
    I think you're imputing false values to her work. I don't believe the list ever claimed to be as you say "a serious study or effort to deal with the problem of fake news sites"............Do you have evidence to the contrary?

    In fact, among the caveats to the original list is a warning that the list will be updated and is incomplete.
    Zimdars does have a Ph.D in communications studies, so I think that gives her some level of expertise, maybe a lot more than the journalists/publications she cited........And her employer is well regarded too, so maybe they also have standards, or maybe not.......What do you think?.........

    From the Wiki page on her employer........


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    In 2013, Affordable Colleges Online ranked Merrimack as 16th in Return on Investment (ROI) for colleges in the area.
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    Rather than me following your suggestion of reading comments upthread on the complexity of the web. maybe you should read the various caveats the list author included with the list as provided by RNY in the OP. Let that sink in then go find me your examples of debunking.


    RNY's OP.

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?17244-News-Media-and-the-Internet-What-is-Fake-and-What-is-Real&p=458434#post458434

    Edit: Link again.

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...434#post458434
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    An email newsletter I receive from CB (Count Bob perhaps?) Insights, that focuses on investment issues, had this jokey headline today, referring to the fake news controversy.
    And coincidently, some Buzzfeed news..........

    Hi there,

    Kicking off this Monday with some very sad news.



    I have wondered if this fake news kerfuffle surrounding Facebook may make recruitment/retention of talented folks more difficult for FB. Time will tell.

    Investor Elad Gil seems to think so and spits some fire at Facebook in his post entitled "Facebook must really suck at machine learning" which you'll see below in The Blurb.


    Buzzfeed gives protections to NBCUniversal in an IPO

    On Friday, our private company valuation alerts spotted a filing for Buzzfeed authorizing more shares at a flat per share price and with some material investor protections for NBCUniversal (ratchets) if the company's IPO doesn't meet certain minimums.

    ReCode, Fortune, Business Insider, TechCrunch, and Fast Company all dug into the filing and the financing as you'll see highlighted in The Industry Standard section below.
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    I've not seen, heard, or read any such evidence, or comment on such evidence.
    Google is your friend.

    AFAIK she put the list together a guide for her students as an alternative reading list to the "MSM". It was not originally intended for general circulation, and had a series of caveats.
    I think you're imputing false values to her work. I don't believe the list ever claimed to be as you say "a serious study or effort to deal with the problem of fake news sites"............Do you have evidence to the contrary?
    HRC wasn't supposed to lose, was she? I just consider it yet another Cargo Cult effort to understand a web based phenomenon that draws on a very limited understanding of the problem. It has been represented as a Leftist crybully reaction to HRC losing and it is hard not to disagree with that.

    Regards...jmcc

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    Google is your friend.

    HRC wasn't supposed to lose, was she? I just consider it yet another Cargo Cult effort to understand a web based phenomenon that draws on a very limited understanding of the problem. It has been represented as a Leftist crybully reaction to HRC losing and it is hard not to disagree with that.

    Regards...jmcc
    I don't see anything leftist about the Clinton claque.
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