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    Leader of the House "Freedom Caucus" about 40 members, says tonight he has enough votes to block Trumpcare. Speaker Ryan has reversed himself, from saying if amended it will fail, to if it's not amended it won't succeed.
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    Trump says "wiretapping" such as he claims to be a victim of, is not necessarily wiretapping. Spicer says there was no "wiretapping" but there might have been wiretapping. Hope that clears it up.
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    GOOD CATCH -- "Yachts of Trump financial backer, Russian oligarch seen close together," by the Palm Beach Post's John Pacenti: "The coincidences are piling up. Russian oligarch Dmitry Rybolovlev last week disavowed any contact with President Donald Trump. But speculation again was stoked when his state-of-the-art yacht Anna sat anchored in the British Virgin Islands on Friday night and another equally resplendent luxury liner, the Sea Owl, sidled up, according to a website that tracks the movement of yachts. After disavowing any contact with President Donald Trump this past week, Russian oligarch Dmitry Rybolovlev's state-of-the-art yacht Anna sat anchored in the British Virgin Islands on Fridaynight when another equally resplendent luxury liner, the Sea Owl, sidled up, according to a website that tracks the movement of yachts. The owner of the dark-hulled yacht? President Donald Trump's biggest financial supporter and Breitbart News moneyman, Robert Mercer.


    "Rybolovlev has repeatedly said he has never met Trump or had any dealings with anyone in his campaign. The oligarch did purchase a Palm Beach mansion from the developer in 2008 through a family trust, Rybolovlev's spokespeople say. Within days of the election this past year, Trump's and Rybolovlev's jets were parked on the airport apron in Charlotte, N.C., on Nov. 3. Trump had a campaign rally that day in Concord, N.C. Rybolovlev said he was there for business. The two planes were also in Las Vegas at the same time in October. ...


    "'Mr. Rybolovlev has never met Robert Mercer and has no relationship with him whatsoever,' said Brian Cattell, the oligarch's spokesman, said Tuesday. Cattell, Rybolovlev's spokesman, used to write for Breitbart. He said he never met Mercer." http://bit.ly/2mMZtEa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    ...[*]The Trump administration will almost certainly try to get a higher court to lift the hold on the ban. And, frankly, there's a solid argument that (if it goes that far) Chief Justice John Roberts will decide that Watson's ruling is wrong — for one thing, it's not even clear that the First Amendment's Establishment clause applies to immigration law. [Lawfare / Josh Blackman][/LIST]....
    As the Supremes are split 4-4, what Roberts thinks does not matter. With a 4-4 tie, Watson gets upheld.

    As Oliver Wendell Holmes and Brandeis explained so long ago, you have to look at Supreme Court decisions realistically, that is why they are described in law school as "legal realists." The job of the Supreme Court is to interpret the wording of the Constitution according to their political preferences, and what they think "America needs," insulated from the general public and what it thinks, ultimately according to the higher needs of the American ruling class. Exactly what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Trump says "wiretapping" such as he claims to be a victim of, is not necessarily wiretapping. Spicer says there was no "wiretapping" but there might have been wiretapping. Hope that clears it up.
    This whole thing is odd, as the proof it didn't happen is that Comey says it didn't happen, and he would be the one to sign the paperwork for authorizing wiretapping.

    Which is hilarious. Obviously, it would not be the the Republican-dominated FBI doing the wiretapping, but some of the Trump-haters at the CIA or NSA. And those guys would hardly submit paperwork for authorization!

    I would be unsurprised to hear that some folk at the CIA or NSA were tapping his phone, or maybe his computer or something as Wikileaks just explained they can do. But I very much doubt Obama was personally involved, that would violate deniability and would hardly be necessary. Likewise for CIA-NSA higher echelons, who likely would merely give certain underlings appropriate winks and nods.

    But the problem is, leaking that kind of stuff would work poorly, it would just confirm what Trump has been saying. So I don't know how much practical use the spooks who want to get rid of Trump actually would get out of wiretapping him. The thing about Trump is that what you see is what you get. I don't think secret Trump plans are necessarily any worse than the stuff he talks about in public. And he changes what he has in mind from day to day anyway.

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    What a load of syncophantic brown nosing! What is our problem? Kenny's craven interaction with "his friend" we do not need to be friendly. Ok, I understand the potential (only) publicity of the shamrock bowl, but do we not have enough confidence in ourselves to treat as just that, an opportunity?

    I suppose the only thing you could say we were not treated with the same rudeness as Merkel, he is an ignorant slob. I feel sad for the great majority of the American people who must be cringing.

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    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    As I said, you haven't a clue. The problem with the UK was that the immigration control system was allowed to break down to such an extent that numbers were not being accurately measured. It had nothing to do with Portugal or France. The new accession states, those Eastern European countries that had recently joined the EU, had restrictions on movement for a few years of their membership and Germany was one of those countries that availed of that restriction. It wasn't just legitimate immigration that caused stresses on the UK. It was illegal immigration (essentially economic migrants from outside the EU claiming to be asylum seekers) too. This put a lot of stress on the free UK health service (the NHS), UK social housing, employment and on UK society. You do realise that Ireland is not in the UK, don't you?

    The European Commission and the crooks in charge are not elected. As for "you" in Portugal, I thought you were claiming to be American? You don't really understand the EU or what it has become. But then Portugal had a fascist government for decades, didn't it? You probably don't see anything wrong with the democratic deficit at the heart of the EU.

    Perhaps it is a cultural or social thing in that being a bad loser is frowned upon. However you did spend an awful lot of time promoting your hero, HRC, here and were devastated when she lost. You, and those like you, are now locked in a cycle of defeat in which you are going to end up fighting the last campaign over and over again because you haven't learned any lessons on why HRC lost can't comprehend the effect of a floating vote on what was a simple two party system.

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    RNY doesn't know her arse from her elbow when it comes to Ireland and Britain.

    Her views are very ignorant it seems if the subject isn't America or Science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by random new yorker View Post
    look this is the last time I will address this HRC issue with you. yes it may be a cultural difference but it seems to me you fail to understand that my support for Hillary was due to the fact her opponent was basically a senile retard.

    Having said that it appears to me you do not get the issue with the "bad losers in the US and that ONLY republicans refer to 'bad losers and bad hombres, black and white, zero and one idiots".

    American Democrats (for the most part) are CONCERNED about the loss of our civil liberties and the mentecapto in charge (whom you supported) basically shitting on our Constitution on a near daily basis.

    As I said before, grow a brain before you are even tempted to discuss politics with me.
    You called Irish people British.

    I don't blame JMCC if he sees you as a complete wally at this stage. Your posts are deliberately offensive and then you give out when you think others are being stupid.

    Do you live in some fluffy little world where it does not matter who you offend but everyone has to be nice to you?

    If I called a Polish person in any environment any nationality other than Polish or questioned the 'purity' of their nationality I would be labeled as a lunatic/racist/nut because clearly Poland has a language of its' own and a distinct country, culture and way of life, just like Ireland.

    However as English is the native language for 95% of Irish people due to the horrible abuse of our country down throughout our history some people think they can use this as a stick to beat us with(i.e. you are not a real country, your language is dead ergo you're British etc. etc.).

    As I said before you obviously have a fundamentally racist view towards the Irish. You would never allow anyone to claim Portuguese people were something else, but because we speak English(mostly) we are fair game for abuse.

    Cop on. You will say this to the wrong person some day and get a huge shock when they call you a racist in person. I hope that when that happens everyone present can see how bigoted your views on our country are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    Bannon may well be a 'White-Supremacist' but given your history of racist posts on here you are not in a position to call anyone out on those particular grounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by random new yorker View Post
    I am leaving a record here on what I see this side of the Atlantic and when did I ever post something racist here?

    you want to give me an example? are you really calling me a racist?

    Stop tr0lling me and insulting me and get going with posting something of substance on the subject! -

    or else make room for the people that actually have something to say about this.
    Yes, your comments on Irish people in the past and even with JMCC above saying we are British are racist.

    Maybe you are just anti Irish though and perhaps we are being unfair.

    Don't be surprised if Irish people on this website, in fact in real life, remember insults towards them. An accurately long memory is a common trait most of us share, and as you are one for stereotypes that shouldn't be hard for you to believe about us.
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    FBI say Trumps accusation that Obama ordered the tapping of his phone is unfounded.

    Investigation currently underway of Russian interference in election and Trump links.

    You get the feeling this isn't going to go away and Trump is going to have more outrageous counter accusations to deflect the heat.

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    Paul Manafort has an interesting history....connections with GOP and unsavoury's beyond. Seems there was US interference to bring Yanukovych to power before things turned on him.

    Now, barely three years later, Yanukovych was back, and his Party of Regions was ahead in the polls.

    The person who masterminded Yanukovych’s unlikely political comeback was not – as might have been expected – a Russian, like the advisers dispatched by Vladimir Putin to mastermind Yanukovych’s disastrous 2004 presidential bid.

    It was an American, and his name was Paul Manafort – previously a consultant for Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush and Bob Dole, and today the campaign chairman for Donald Trump.

    Manafort’s years in Ukraine have come under renewed scrutiny during the current US presidential campaign. On Monday, Hillary Clinton’s campaign leapt on a report in the New York Times that handwritten ledgers found in the Ukraine show $12.7m in undisclosed payments to Manafort from the Party of Regions.

    “This is a serious matter and there are real concerns about the pro-Kremlin interests engaged with the Trump team,” said Clinton’s campaign manager, Robby Mook.

    Manafort has denied any wrongdoing. A source who worked with him in Ukraine said on Tuesday: “If there was cash I would have known about it and seen it. I was going in and out of the Party of Regions HQ every day.”

    Even before the latest allegations, Trump’s links to Russia have raised eyebrows: Manafort’s candidate has expressed admiration for Putin, encouraged Russia to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails, and appeared unaware that Russian troops had seized the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea.


    Meanwhile, the Trump campaign was reportedly instrumental in rewriting the new Republican platform to remove calls for the donation of weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces.

    It remains unclear how much of this was down to Manafort. What is indisputable is that at the same time as he was advising Yanukovych, Manafort was also building personal business links with some of the most powerful figures in the post-Soviet world.

    Before his arrival in Kiev, Manafort had long specialised in taking on unsavoury clients, such as Ferdinand Marcos, the Filipino dictator, and Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire, and subtly retooling their public reputations.

    He was recruited to work in Ukraine in the summer of 2005 by the oligarch Rinat Akhmetov – the main financial backer of Yanukovych’s Party of Regions.

    That autumn, Manafort and his team – including longtime aide Rick Gates, another future Trump hire – began work for the Party of Regions. They rented an anonymous office at number 4 Sophia Street in Kiev, opposite the stop for the 16 and 18 trolley buses. Typically, its white blinds were drawn.

    The Americans kept a low profile, but Manafort’s efforts didn’t go entirely unnoticed. In a 2006 cable to the state department in Washington, US diplomats reported that the Party of Regions had undergone a mysterious transformation. “Long a haven for Donetsk-based mobsters and oligarchs it is in the midst of an ‘extreme makeover’,” they observed.

    The party had enlisted “help and advice from veteran K street political tacticians”, the diplomats said, referring to Washington DC’s lobbying district. Manafort’s firm – Davis, Manafort & Freedman – was busy “nipping and tucking”. Its goal was to rid the party of its gangster image and to change it into a “legitimate political force”.

    I met Manafort in September 2007, on the eve of the Ostroh rally. This was just before the parliamentary elections, and Yanukovych was frantically touring the regions on a campaign helicopter.

    Close up, Manafort looked every inch the classic Washington lobbyist. He wore an expensive suit and tie and exuded seriousness. He also bore a faint physical resemblance to his client – even their hairstyles were similar. (Manafort, I was told later, had instructed Yanukovych to blow-dry his hair. Manafort’s camp denies this.)

    The American had an interesting story to tell – one which may sound familiar to observers of Donald Trump’s campaign – of how his candidate had been almost wilfully misunderstood by the west, especially by its media.

    The new Yanukovych was nothing like the old one, Manafort suggested. He had absorbed the lessons of his previous defeats, was studying English – and was even playing tennis with the US ambassador.

    “People are still looking at the political system in this country through the prism of 2004,” Manafort told me. “That’s not at all the situation here.”

    Yanukovych was no puppet of Putin, Manafort said; he wanted a pragmatic foreign policy – good relations with Russia and the EU.

    “As a person, he [Yanukovych] is growing,” Manafort assured me. “I think the time out of power helped him.”

    Manafort introduced professional techniques. He gathered polling data, worked on messaging and distributed talking points. His efforts were at least partially successful: Yanukovych’s Party of Regions won the 2007 parliamentary elections, and in 2010 Yanukovych beat his rival Yulia Tymoshenko in a presidential runoff. Within a few months, it had become clear that he was hellbent on reversing the modest democratic gains of the Orange Revolution.
    Those who worked with Manafort say that he cannot be blamed for the Ukrainian disaster. Oleg Voloshin, a former aide to Kostyantyn Gryshchenko, Yanukovych’s 2010-12 foreign minister who now works as a political consultant, says Manafort urged Yanukovych to press ahead with the EU integration agenda.

    Voloshin still has ties with the ex-Party of Regions, which Manafort rebranded in 2014 as the Opposition Bloc. (Manafort’s consultancy in Ukraine continued until at least parliamentary elections in 2014.)

    He suggests that Yanukovych “listened to what Paul said” between 2007-2010, but then, once he became president, stopped listening – with catastrophic results.

    Manafort’s advice was always non-ideological, Voloshin recalls. He would calmly explain: “These people won’t vote for you, don’t bother with them,” and then suggest he “promote this message, promote that message”. “It was a very American approach. Do this, do that.” And, crucially: “He was the person dragging Yanukovych to the west.”

    According to Voloshin, Manafort was an advocate of US interests and promoted American oil companies such as Chevron – so much so that the joke inside the Party of Regions was that Manafort was actually from the CIA. “You can blame him for whatever. The only thing you can’t blame him for is lack of will in lobbying for American interests in Ukraine in the commercial sphere.”

    Voloshin insists that it was Manafort who persuaded Yanukovych to press ahead with the EU integration agenda, arguing that it would counter Yanukovych’s sagging ratings. Manafort also strongly objected to Tymoshenko’s imprisonment, telling Yanukovych bluntly: “You are going to have very bad times with the west.”

    “It’s not Paul’s fault that Yanukovych didn’t listen to him. If it weren’t for Paul, Ukraine would have gone under Russia much earlier,” Voloshin claims.

    During the period that he was advising Yanukovych, Manafort’s interests in the post-Soviet world were not restricted to politics.

    In 2007, he set up a private equity firm called Pericles Emerging Partners LP.

    Based offshore in the Caymans, the firm had three American partners – Manafort, Rick Gates and Rick Davis. Davis had cofounded Davis Manafort, Manfort’s lobbying company in Delaware. The new firm’s aim was to make investments in the Ukrainian cities of Kiev, Odessa and Mariupol. It would acquire small companies, consolidate them into larger national enterprises, then sell them on.

    One of those tempted by this prospectus was the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, an aluminum baron and close friend of Putin, who stumped up almost $19m. Gates, Manafort’s right-hand man, sealed the agreement in trips to Moscow.

    What happened next was strange indeed. Only one investment by Pericles was ever made, in a Ukrainian telecoms company called Black Sea Cable. According to court documents, the cash was funnelled into various offshore companies, including one called CardMan ImpEx Corp, registered in the tax haven of the British Virgin Islands. The trail wound through other opaque shell firms, including Cascado AG, set up by the Panamanian law firm Mossack Fonseca.

    A search of the Panama Papers leak gives a few details. Cascado has two Latvian directors, Erik Vanagels and Stan Gorin. In reality, they are mere nominees. The pair have been linked on paper to a network of offshore companies and multimillion-dollar scams involving Ukrainian state assets.

    When the global financial crisis hit in 2008, Deripaska wanted out – and his cash back. In 2011, the Americans emailed to say that it was proving tricky to sell Deripaska’s stake because of “market conditions”. Further emails went unanswered.

    “It appears that Paul Manafort and Rick Gates have simply disappeared,” Deripaska’s frustrated lawyers wrote, in a 2014 petition to have Manafort’s firm wound up.

    It’s unclear if Deripaska ever got his money. Either way, the episode illustrates Manafort’s personal links to figures close to Putin.

    Later, Manafort introduced Deripaska to Senator John McCain, when the oligarch was having problems travelling to the US. (In 2006, the US had revoked Deripaska’s visa, citing alleged “criminal associations”. Deripaska denies the allegation, and his visa was subsequently reinstated.)

    This wasn’t the only embarrassing legal scrape arising from Manafort’s capitalist adventures. In November 2011, Tymoshenko unsuccessfully sued him and several of her political opponents in the district court in New York. Her lengthy writ alleged that Manafort “played a key role in [a] conspiracy and racketeering enterprise” to launder cash for Yanukovych’s oligarch friends and invest it in New York real estate.
    But Manafort’s critics in Kiev are scathing. “He’s an evil genius,” Alex Kovzhun, who spent a decade working for Tymoshenko, beginning in 2001, said. “He doesn’t work statesmen. He works dictators and all-round bastards. He sells the unsellable product. If you have a dead horse and you need to sell it, you call him.

    “He works bad guys. They pay more, of course.”

    Manafort’s specialism, according to Kovzhun, is running expensive campaigns and targeting the “great unwashed”.

    “It’s the same element who voted for Putin, supported Brexit, back Erdoğan and who will vote for Trump. Manafort works the lowest common denominator. I find him repulsive and his message ugly. He leaves destruction in his wake.”

    Kovzhun said he recognised the same “moves” in Manafort’s campaigns for Yanukovych and Trump. He gets his clients to do “corny stuff”, Kovzhun added, with “bland political slogans” and “uncreative Soviet-style imagery”. “With Yanukovych it was: ‘I’ll hear everyone.’ With Trump, it’s: ‘Make America great again.’”

    In contrast, Voloshin portrays the decade Manafort spent in Ukraine as a success. “In 2004, Yanukovych was seen as a Russian puppet. He was dead. Paul resurrected him.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ine-yanukovich

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    Rather than covering the site with almost complete articles, (and possibly creating problems for the site by exceeding fair use), could people please just post one or two relevant paragaphs and a link the the source along with their own comments on the subject?

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    In fairness I think I've done that twice (outside an OP)...hardly "covering the site".

    The piece is also as relevant to the Ukraine thread. The links are interesting. US corporate moguls with business as well as political links to oligarchs in Ukraine and Russia. No wonder they have been keen to influence the political field in that region....aside from NATO interests.

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