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    In these sweeps, hundreds have been grabbed. By contrast, when Obama was Prez ... two million were deported.

    The crudity and ugliness with which Trump's raids are conducted has shocked everyone, whereas the smoother hand of Obama, actually deporting far, far more, rose less protest. Especially since many of those protesting Trump's maneuvers of questionable legality accepted Obama's mass deportations in a blase fashion, being as they are Democrats.

    But these protests, whatever the hypocrisy of certain of the participants, are an extremely good thing. With luck, you will soon see outright defiance of Trump's laws, like the outright defiance of the Fugitive Slave Law in the north in the 1850s that helped prepare the atmosphere for the ending of slavery in the only way it could be ended, namely civil war.

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    By their standards, significant coverage on French TV news. Didn't see/hear it on BBC, was it mentioned? Needless to remark it wasn't on RTE, afaik.

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    First casualty..........To no-one's surprise Mike Flynn is gone. Resigned last night. At 4pm Kellyanne announced that the President had full confidence in him, and at 5pm Reince announced that the President was evaluating the situation.


    National Security Adviser Michael Flynn resigned late Monday, after reports he misled senior Trump White House officials about his conversations with Russia.

    President Trump has named retired Army Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg as acting national security adviser. Kellogg previously served as Flynn’s chief of staff on the National Security Council.
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    First, this morning this:

    Who's running this railroad? Yesterday evening, The Post struck again, revealing that acting attorney general Sally Yates, later fired by Trump for refusing to enforce the migrant travel ban, informed White House Counsel Don McGahn late last month that she believed Flynn had misled officials about his communications with the ambassador -- and was potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail!
    At 11:12 last night, the White House finally announced: "President Donald J. Trump Names Lt. General Joseph Keith Kellogg, Jr. as Acting National Security Advisor / Accepts Resignation of Lt. General Michael Flynn."
    The New Yorker's Evan Osnos tweeted: "The Flynn story is a reminder of a big truth: Journalism lives. And principled public servants who got the story out are hidden heroes."
    Alumni of the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations are agog: They tell me their bosses never would have tolerated drift in the face of such a revelation. There may well have been something behind the scenes that we don't know about. If so, someone in the White House will no doubt cough it up, pronto.
    In the meantime, here are a couple questions to get things rolling at today's 1 p.m. briefing by "Daytime TV's New Star" Sean Spicer:

    • If Sally Yates told the White House last month that Flynn was vulnerable to blackmail, why was he just now fired? How long had you planned to keep a security threat at the top of the NSC?
    • Was Flynn acting on his own when he discussed the Russian sanctions with the ambassador? Was he authorized to have the conversation? Or did he think he had complete license -- truly remarkable for a guy born of and committed to chain of command.
    • Then this aftenoon WaPo, .......can't be good for the Prez/Veep relationship, to say nothing of Nat Sec matters......

      Trump knew Flynn had misled the vice president about contacts with Russia 'weeks' before he was forced to resign, White House says
      The president was briefed on the national security adviser's contacts with the Russian ambassador immediately after the Justice Department raised the issue, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said. He said Trump and the White House counsel believe Michael Flynn's discussion with the ambassador about sanctions prior to the inauguration were not improper. Rather, he said, Flynn resigned last night due to an “evolving and eroding level of trust.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    First, this morning this:

    Then this aftenoon WaPo, .......can't be good for the Prez/Veep relationship, to say nothing of Nat Sec matters......

    Trump knew Flynn had misled the vice president about contacts with Russia 'weeks' before he was forced to resign, White House says
    The president was briefed on the national security adviser's contacts with the Russian ambassador immediately after the Justice Department raised the issue, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said. He said Trump and the White House counsel believe Michael Flynn's discussion with the ambassador about sanctions prior to the inauguration were not improper. Rather, he said, Flynn resigned last night due to an “evolving and eroding level of trust.”
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    Very interesting. If Hersh's account is right, US Generals must have been in informal contact with Russia to coordinate intelligence on Syria. This one however went down like a lead balloon.

    What are people expecting next ?

    I posted on this on the thread on Syria - Flynn being a General who had headed up the DIA 2012-2014. The Defence Intelligence Agency in 2012 produced the notorious leaked analysis saying that "Western Powers" were supporting Al Q / ISIS and favoured a Caliphate in Syria. The DIA considered that strategy highly dangerous. Flynn was sacked in 2014. Flynn seems to have joined Trump's campaign in 2016 largely to try to reverse this approach.

    The US Government and Government in waiting has become a dystopian shadow play acted by warring bands of spooks.
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    Very interesting. If Hersh's account is right, US Generals must have been in informal contact with Russia to coordinate intelligence on Syria. This one however went down like a lead balloon.

    What are people expecting next ?

    I posted on this on the thread on Syria - Flynn being a General who had headed up the DIA 2012-2014. The Defence Intelligence Agency in 2012 produced the notorious leaked analysis saying that "Western Powers" were supporting Al Q / ISIS and favoured a Caliphate in Syria. The DIA considered that strategy highly dangerous. Flynn was sacked in 2014. Flynn seems to have joined Trump's campaign in 2016 largely to try to reverse this approach.

    The US Government and Government in waiting has become a dystopian shadow play acted by warring bands of spooks.
    You have warring bands alright, and general chaos at the top, but seeing it as a battle between the spooks with other actors being manipulated, which is what your account seems to imply (by all means correct my impression if I have misunderstood you) is a great oversimplification.

    You have a war of all against all, with the spooks definitely playing a role, but not necessarily the dominant one. You have factions among the spooks and factions among the generals and factions among the civilians, and they mix, match, and change sides and allies regularly.

    And Trump, who is certainly not much of a Bonaparte, instead of playing the Bonapartist role of arbitrator and "the decider," as Bush Jr. put it, just stumbles through from day to day, more interested in his Twitter account than in running the White House.

    Which is not totally insane, as he has literally millions of Twitter followers who take his lead and can be flung against whomever he hates this week. At least for angry emails, potentially in more effective fashion.

    There's a line in the Bible that seems relevant to me.

    Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin.

    (Look it up.)

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    You have warring bands alright, and general chaos at the top, but seeing it as a battle between the spooks with other actors being manipulated, which is what your account seems to imply (by all means correct my impression if I have misunderstood you) is a great oversimplification.

    You have a war of all against all, with the spooks definitely playing a role, but not necessarily the dominant one. You have factions among the spooks and factions among the generals and factions among the civilians, and they mix, match, and change sides and allies regularly.

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    The enormous US intelligence agencies (inc. the CIA and FBI) and the Military (inc. the DIA) are very powerful and with increased surveillance capacity and media control/influence, very few individual politicians if any can stand up to them. They are now intervening quite unashamedly to pursue their respective political agendas. However I said nothing about manipulation. They are part of political alliances/blocs that have emerged in America.

    Politically, there is a divide between globalists and nationalists/patriots. Increasingly one bloc (to which the Democrat Party is very much aligned as well as part of the Republican Party and attendant neo con Think Tanks) favour covert means and proxy wars to achieve global dominance and control. It is prepared to utilise the most reactionary forces and governments world wide and to induce failed states to achieve its goals. The CIA is batting with this team.

    The other bloc which clustered somewhat around Trump is reacting to this with a reactionary return to Nationalism / Patriotism and favours direct military intervention. It is not isolationist. It likes to use massive amounts of military hardware and manpower. It favours authoritarian states run by 'hard man' figures with whom deals can be made. They have parts of the DIA and FBI onside.

    Clinton and Trump provided figureheads for these blocs in the election.

    At critical times the FBI /Generals have intervened in the political process in favour of Trump and now the CIA in favour of Clinton (who was whooping it up over Flynn's dismissal).

    When push comes to shove, both blocs are imperialists abroad and at home fear and loathe the mass of ordinary American 'deplorables'

    Please remember the Bible is the most-read book globally.

    I always thought that Nebuchadnezzar's panic over somebody's graphitied bill of quantities or shopping list was paranoid, and paranoia - stimulated effectively by Daniel, probably his downfall.

    "numbered, numbered, weighed, divided"
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The enormous US intelligence agencies (inc. the CIA and FBI) and the Military (inc. the DIA) are very powerful and with increased surveillance capacity and media control/influence, very few individual politicians if any can stand up to them. They are now intervening quite unashamedly to pursue their respective political agendas. However I said nothing about manipulation. They are part of political alliances/blocs that have emerged in America.

    Politically, there is a divide between globalists and nationalists/patriots. Increasingly one bloc (to which the Democrat Party is very much aligned as well as part of the Republican Party and attendant neo con Think Tanks) favour covert means and proxy wars to achieve global dominance and control. It is prepared to utilise the most reactionary forces and governments world wide and to induce failed states to achieve its goals. The CIA is batting with this team.

    The other bloc which clustered somewhat around Trump is reacting to this with a reactionary return to Nationalism / Patriotism and favours direct military intervention. It is not isolationist. It likes to use massive amounts of military hardware and manpower. It favours authoritarian states run by 'hard man' figures with whom deals can be made. They have parts of the DIA and FBI onside.

    Clinton and Trump provided figureheads for these blocs in the election.

    At critical times the FBI /Generals have intervened in the political process in favour of Trump and now the CIA in favour of Clinton (who was whooping it up over Flynn's dismissal).

    When push comes to shove, both blocs are imperialists abroad and at home fear and loathe the mass of ordinary American 'deplorables'

    Please remember the Bible is the most-read book globally.

    I always thought that Nebuchadnezzar's panic over somebody's graphitied bill of quantities or shopping list was paranoid, and paranoia - stimulated effectively by Daniel, probably his downfall.

    "numbered, numbered, weighed, divided"
    The one thing we can be certain is that the Biblical account is not accurate, so I wouldn't make too much of that.

    The interpretation of the words that allegedly appeared on the wall by Nebuchadnezzar was, of course, "your days are numbered." Whatever the real basis for the Biblical story is, if any, the version in the Old Testament should be understood as what it is, brilliant and evocative words that have resounded down the ages, rather than as an accurate historical source.
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    The writing was on Flynn's wall all right. Word now being that nothing illegal was discussed by Flynn.

    The fact that Trump did not tough this one out would tend to suggest that before too long he will be either gone or completely tamed.

    Britain and "a Baltic nation" are also involved in gathering intelligence on Trump.

    http://europe.newsweek.com/allies-in...s-557283?rm=eu

    It would be almost amusing to see such overt attempts to destabilise and scupper the US Presidency, if it was not so indicative that democracy is a rapidly ebbing tide in the post-industrial West.
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    Oh dear -

    knowing dear Sally as I do, it comes as no surprise. The Evidence
    According to published reports, someone was eavesdropping, and recording, the conversations of Michael Flynn, while Sally Yates was at the Department of Justice. Sally Yates knew about this eavesdropping, listened in herself (Pellicano-style for those who remember the infamous LA cases), and reported what she heard to others. For Yates to have such access means she herself must have been involved in authorizing its disclosure to political appointees, since she herself is such a political appointee. What justification was there for an Obama appointee to be spying on the conversations of a future Trump appointee?
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    The writing was on Flynn's wall all right. Word now being that nothing illegal was discussed by Flynn.

    The fact that Trump did not tough this one out would tend to suggest that before too long he will be either gone or completely tamed.

    Britain and "a Baltic nation" are also involved in gathering intelligence on Trump.

    http://europe.newsweek.com/allies-in...s-557283?rm=eu

    It would be almost amusing to see such overt attempts to destabilise and scupper the US Presidency, if it was not so indicative that democracy is a rapidly ebbing tide in the post-industrial West.
    Here we have remarkable profiles in ineptitude from the Trump administration. Trump if he wished could simply fire the CIA etc. folk after him. Instead he appointed Pompeo as CIA head, to keep the "moderate" Republicans happy, and Pompeo was a Cruz man. And Comey at the FBI is apparently no longer in Trump's corner.

    This will all sputter out sooner or later, as the last thing the Republicans would want is to impeach a Republican President. If some of the spooks want that, they are simply out of luck. This will however further undermine his authority, and make a Republican collapse in the 2018 elections even more likely than it is. If the Republicans impeached him however, that could be the end of the Republican Party, with Trump enthusiasts staying home or voting for some new right wing third party, and the Democrats smashing the Republican rump. So that won't happen.

    Basically, the prime actors here are not the spooks, but the Hillary wing of the Democratic Party. This whole Russians under the bed nonsense is a calculated attempt to divert the popular mobilization against all Trump's reactionary measures and cabinet appointments into revived "Cold War liberalism" in the Harry Truman/Hubert Humphrey mode. Anyone notice that Black Lives Matter seems to have been forgotten about? With the spooks jumping on board the bandwagon.

    It's interesting that, for the first time, the Democrats finally managed to defeat one of Trump's cabinet picks, namely the sleazy minimum wage opponent of Carl's Jr. as Labor Secretary. Why him, and not Jeff Sessions or one of the other crazed picks? Because the same labor unions who'd been having friendly chats with Trump over his infrastructure promises were up in arms over this character, so the signals went out to dump him. Excuses were found in his beating his ex-wife etc. (she withdrew the charge, but probably she was pressured to do it). But almost all Trump's other Cabinet picks had huge quantities of dirty laundry too, (not to speak of Trump hisself) and all got confirmed anyway.

    Trump is saying that Flynn was fired, not 'cuz he did anything illegal (yes, he violated the 18th Century Logan Act, but nobody in American history has ever been prosecuted for that before, and Nixon and Reagan's people violated it in much grosser fashion during previous election campaigns) but because he lied to Veep Pence, basically regarding the Veep as too insignificant to be worth telling the truth to.

    This may or may not be true. But what is true is that in the current political atmosphere, Trump can't afford to allow this insignificant politician, Cruz lite, to be humiliated, as he's the fair haired boy of the Republican moderates at the moment, and he needs to conciliate them if he wants to accomplish anything whatsoever as President.

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    ....Basically, the prime actors here are not the spooks, but the Hillary wing of the Democratic Party.

    This whole Russians under the bed nonsense is a calculated attempt to divert the popular mobilization against all Trump's reactionary measures and cabinet appointments into revived "Cold War liberalism" in the Harry Truman/Hubert Humphrey mode. Anyone notice that Black Lives Matter seems to have been forgotten about? With the spooks jumping on board the bandwagon.

    It's interesting that, for the first time, the Democrats finally managed to defeat one of Trump's cabinet picks, namely the sleazy minimum wage opponent of Carl's Jr. as Labor Secretary. Why him, and not Jeff Sessions or one of the other crazed picks? Because the same labor unions who'd been having friendly chats with Trump over his infrastructure promises were up in arms over this character, so the signals went out to dump him. Excuses were found in his beating his ex-wife etc. (she withdrew the charge, but probably she was pressured to do it). But almost all Trump's other Cabinet picks had huge quantities of dirty laundry too, (not to speak of Trump hisself) and all got confirmed anyway.
    ...
    -AMH-
    "The Hilary wing of the Democrat Party" - including Hilary - are of course spooks or thick as thieves with spooks themselves.

    Politically, there is a divide between globalists and nationalists/patriots. Increasingly one bloc (to which the Democrat Party is very much aligned as well as part of the Republican Party and attendant neo con Think Tanks) favour covert means and proxy wars to achieve global dominance and control. It is prepared to utilise the most reactionary forces and governments world wide and to induce failed states to achieve its goals. The CIA is batting with this team.

    The other bloc which clustered somewhat around Trump is making a reactionary return to Nationalism / Patriotism and favours direct military intervention. It is not isolationist. It likes to use massive amounts of military hardware and manpower. It favours authoritarian states run by 'hard man' figures with whom deals can be made. This bloc has parts of the DIA and FBI onside.

    Clinton and Trump provided figureheads for these blocs in the election.

    Flynn - a 'conspiracy theorist" (after all, what would the head of the DIA know about covert programmes?) got the push because he was a risk to conspirators.The mechanics of how this was achieved have not been exposed - but he did nothing illegal or unusual.

    How would you describe the political atmosphere in the States right now ?
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    Here we have remarkable profiles in ineptitude from the Trump administration. Trump if he wished could simply fire the CIA etc. folk after him. Instead he appointed Pompeo as CIA head, to keep the "moderate" Republicans happy, and Pompeo was a Cruz man. And Comey at the FBI is apparently no longer in Trump's corner.

    This will all sputter out sooner or later, as the last thing the Republicans would want is to impeach a Republican President. If some of the spooks want that, they are simply out of luck. This will however further undermine his authority, and make a Republican collapse in the 2018 elections even more likely than it is. If the Republicans impeached him however, that could be the end of the Republican Party, with Trump enthusiasts staying home or voting for some new right wing third party, and the Democrats smashing the Republican rump. So that won't happen.

    Basically, the prime actors here are not the spooks, but the Hillary wing of the Democratic Party. This whole Russians under the bed nonsense is a calculated attempt to divert the popular mobilization against all Trump's reactionary measures and cabinet appointments into revived "Cold War liberalism" in the Harry Truman/Hubert Humphrey mode. Anyone notice that Black Lives Matter seems to have been forgotten about? With the spooks jumping on board the bandwagon.

    It's interesting that, for the first time, the Democrats finally managed to defeat one of Trump's cabinet picks, namely the sleazy minimum wage opponent of Carl's Jr. as Labor Secretary. Why him, and not Jeff Sessions or one of the other crazed picks? Because the same labor unions who'd been having friendly chats with Trump over his infrastructure promises were up in arms over this character, so the signals went out to dump him
    . Excuses were found in his beating his ex-wife etc. (she withdrew the charge, but probably she was pressured to do it). But almost all Trump's other Cabinet picks had huge quantities of dirty laundry too, (not to speak of Trump hisself) and all got confirmed anyway.

    Trump is saying that Flynn was fired, not 'cuz he did anything illegal (yes, he violated the 18th Century Logan Act, but nobody in American history has ever been prosecuted for that before, and Nixon and Reagan's people violated it in much grosser fashion during previous election campaigns) but because he lied to Veep Pence, basically regarding the Veep as too insignificant to be worth telling the truth to.

    This may or may not be true. But what is true is that in the current political atmosphere, Trump can't afford to allow this insignificant politician, Cruz lite, to be humiliated, as he's the fair haired boy of the Republican moderates at the moment, and he needs to conciliate them if he wants to accomplish anything whatsoever as President.

    -AMH-
    Complete BS. Democrats or unions didn't defeat Puzder, Republicans did.

    The decision came as Senate Republicans told the White House he was losing support, a senior GOP source said, adding there were four firm Republican no votes and possibly up to 12.Sen. Tim Scott, of South Carolina, was one of those Republicans who planned to vote against Puzder, saying he was worried about revelations involving Puzder paying employees in cash and the nominee's comments about some of the American workforce.
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/15/politi...er-nomination/

    He committed the Cardinal sin that has tripped up several other cabinet nominees in the past, back to Clinton in 1996. He hired an illegal immigrant as home help and then didn't pay taxes on the earnings, which undermines the claim that he didn't know the employee was illegal. The Feds are entitled to their cut from your illegal activity.
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    After the extraordinary press conference on Wednesday there was a noticeable uptick in the number of Republicans who were willing to be quoted as saying they were beginning to have concerns about his mental health. Most R"s avoided the issue and said they had missed the press conference.

    Democratic Sen. Al Franken of Minnesota, the former Saturday Night Live comedian about whom there is 2020 buzz, said on TV that someone who lies as voraciously as Trump has to be half a bubble off plumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Complete BS. Democrats or unions didn't defeat Puzder, Republicans did.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/15/politi...er-nomination/

    He committed the Cardinal sin that has tripped up several other cabinet nominees in the past, back to Clinton in 1996. He hired an illegal immigrant as home help and then didn't pay taxes on the earnings, which undermines the claim that he didn't know the employee was illegal. The Feds are entitled to their cut from your illegal activity.
    That makes sense.

    So why do you think Flynn went ?
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    That makes sense.

    So why do you think Flynn went ?
    It seems Flynn may be in the clear legally on the Russian Ambassador conversations issue, but he and others are still under FBI investigation on other Russian contacts the Trump campaign may have had earlier.

    I think he was fired because the Ambassador conversation was starting to look like the focus would shift away from Flynn and onto Trump. The ambassador conversation happened early Jan, the same day Obama announced 35 diplomats were being expelled. Trump knew about the conversation at least by Jan 26, if not earlier. He sat on the info hoping to ride it out. When the press got hold of this on Friday night they began asking questions about Trump's judgement and motives, and Flynn was gone on Monday.
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