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    Default Persecution of Christians in Pakistan.

    A 16-year-old Christian boy has been accused of committing blasphemy by liking and sharing a post on Facebook that "defamed and disrespected" the sacred Kaaba
    Full details here: http://www.churchinchains.ie/node/909

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    Recon a link to this other thread might be useful here:

    Mother of 5 sentenced to death for blasphemy

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    There have been large Christian communities across Africa and the Far East, and the East, some of them as old as Christianity. Why is it now that they seem to be in real danger ?
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    It has to be blowback from various wars. Often elective wars prosecuted by noisily Christian people. This is why Mike Pence is more dangerous even than Trump. It cant be the whole reason however. Water and arable land scarcity in Africa , especially in the Sahel , must be a factor too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    There have been large Christian communities across Africa and the Far East, and the East, some of them as old as Christianity. Why is it now that they seem to be in real danger ?
    Yes, the Ethiopian Orthodox church dates from the 1st century and Ethiopia along with Armenia were the first countries to embrace Christianity. However it is not only now that Christian and other religious communities in Africa and elsewhere are in real danger. It has been so since Islam was devised.
    I don't claim to be an expert on this subject but I have read enough to know that Islam since its inception has been an aggressive expansionist ideology and has subjugated many people and lands. Much of what is now the Islamic world was once Christian. Other religions have also been exterminated from their homelands.
    It should go without saying that not all Muslims seek to dominate. That does not change the nature of the ideology. I am sure there were some members of the Nazi party who just went along with the movement. That did not make Nazism any less evil. Any Muslim who believes in basic western and indeed socialist values such as separation of state and religion, equality of men and women, gay rights, the right to change religion or reject religion altogether does so despite, not because of Islam.

    There have been movements to reform Islam, most notably the Ahmadiyya branch of Islam. Among other reforms they maintain that Jihad should only be conducted with the word and the pen. For their trouble they have been mercilessly persecuted. In Pakistan it is illegal for them to even call their places of worship Mosques.

    Recognizing an evil ideology does not entail hating anyone but to willfully turn a blind eye to such is to be complicit in the suffering it causes. We have seen enough of what dogmatic and absolutist belief systems can do in this country North and South. Why are we not challenging the latest imported manifestation of such.

    If you want to drop the "in Pakistan" from the thread title or change it to a broader title like "Religious Persecution" or merge the thread by all means do.


    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Og View Post
    It has to be blowback from various wars. Often elective wars prosecuted by noisily Christian people. This is why Mike Pence is more dangerous even than Trump. It cant be the whole reason however. Water and arable land scarcity in Africa , especially in the Sahel , must be a factor too.
    Although it does not get the attention that Boko Haram does the conflict between farmers and Fulani herdsmen in Nigeria is almost as bloody and has very serious consequences for food production in the country.
    It seems there is a climate change driver to the bloodshed.

    The herder-farmer crisis demonstrates the reality of the climate change and resource control interface, and its embedded security challenges. The scarcity of water and shrinking of grazing fields in the desert north appear to be pushing herders southwards to the grasslands of the savannas and forests.
    From here: http://europe.newsweek.com/nigerias-...e-459528?rm=eu

    It is interesting to note that according to that article the majority of farmers are women.

    Farmers, the majority of whom are women, constitute the bedrock of the country’s informal economy. And the unofficial farming sector is the country’s highest employer of labor. Now this key economic sector is under siege.
    As per usual it is the women who are keeping the show on the road.
    I wonder is that an added factor in the conflict. I don't recon the Islamic herds men would have much respect for Christian women farmers.


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    After further reading it seems the Climate theory for the Fulani herdsmen attacks is resented and denied by the Igbo people who are the farmers.

    From an article by one of the Igbo tribe:

    The climate change excuse is unfounded and an abuse of the climate change theory. Those interested in climate change would be horrified that a genuine concept is being misused in this way.
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    The evidence would suggest that Fulani, herdsmen are not only looking for grass. They have been armed and instructed as foot soldiers by those whose aim is to continue dominate, conquer, and exploit the region designated as Nigeria. Moreover, the response of the government and security agencies to the terror they cause, has convinced most people that they are acting a script.
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    Joining the retired general are senators and governors from the north, the same people, who own the cattle and who trained and armed Fulani herdsmen and militia with assault rifles and ammunitions to invade the south to ethnically cleanse villages and take over farm lands.

    Here is the article in full: http://nigeriaworld.com/feature/publ...ke/050816.html

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