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    A thread to track the new era in British life, following the vote for Britain to leave the EU.

    The immediate changes have been political and financial -

    Teresa May as P.M.

    Boris in as Foreign Minister ( the world torn between laughter and horror)

    Gove gone as Justice Minister.

    Labour in shreds - civil war between M.Ps and actual socialists in the party.

    Pound down, stock market up.
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    BBC Poll. Today.

    BBC News Brexit Expectations Poll


    Poll for BBC News on British public's expectations of what will happen under Brexit



    • Most Britons think that maintaining access to the single market should be the priority for the Government when negotiating the UK’s withdrawal from the EU (66%), while just a third say this of restricting freedom of movement (31%).


    • Half of British adults (52%) expect immigration to fall after the UK leaves the EU. Around one in three expect levels of immigration to remain about the same (36%).


    • Almost half (45%) say they will be dissatisfied if the government continues to allow immigration from the EU in exchange for access to the single market.


    • A quarter of British adults (27%) expect that at least some EU citizens currently resident in the UK will be required to leave the country when Britain leaves the EU. One in ten (10%) think most EU citizens will be required to leave the country.


    • Around three quarters of British adults (72%) say they do not trust leading politicians to do a good job of carrying out the will of the British people during the process of the UK’s withdrawal from the EU, while half do not trust civil servants (50%).


    • Half of Britons (52%) say they think that the UK will stay in the single market with some limits on freedom of movement.


    • Half of the British public (47%) think the UK economy will be worse in two years’ time, a third think it will be better (32%). However, over the longer time, the public appears to believe the economy will improve – 52% of Britons think that the economy will be in a better place in five years’ time, compared to 30% who say it will be worse than where it is today.

    More Britons (53%) think it is likely that the UK will no longer exist in ten years’ time than think England can win a major football tournament (13%). Around a quarter of Britons (25%) think it is likely that the UK will be a member of the EU is ten years’ time
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    Looks like the Brits have bought a pig in a poke. I wonder how long it will be before a poll shows a majority remember voting for Remain? This happened quite quickly after the 92 UK election. ICM - I think- started putting ' don't knows' into the parties they supported at the previous election. That's a crude explanation of the 'weighting' they used to try and account for the phenomenon of ' shy Tories' but it was this new method that flagged up false memory syndrome among some voters. With this technique it emerged that Kinmock had actually won that election.In this case the plunge in support for the Tories after Black Friday maybe accounted for it?

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    By the same token , I wonder how many Scots who voted against Independence are consigning their previous views to some internal Room 101?

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    The Independent (Ireland) for once gets their front page headline right with "Britain Lurches to the RIght with May's Pro-Brexit Cabinet". More or less an entire new Cabinet, bar two.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-34883035.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The Independent (Ireland) for once gets their front page headline right with "Britain Lurches to the RIght with May's Pro-Brexit Cabinet". More or less an entire new Cabinet, bar two.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-34883035.html
    From what I'm reading Theresa May is very far....... to the Left.... of Angela Eagle.

    view-source:http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36793178
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The Independent (Ireland) for once gets their front page headline right with "Britain Lurches to the RIght with May's Pro-Brexit Cabinet". More or less an entire new Cabinet, bar two.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-34883035.html
    I don't necessarily see it as a huge shift to the right.

    David Davis is one of the few consistent Tory (or any) libertarians in UK politics. He has been a critic of the security & surveillance state and a defender of civil liberties for example. I welcome his return to the front line of politics, though, mind you, I can't see him being able to give much vent to his libertarian principles in the role he has been appointed to.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_...ivil_liberties
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0f4bc5946cde6

    Increasingly looking like a lurch to the ignorant reactionary extreme right.

    Glad I'm as far away from that demented country as it is possible to be while remaining on the same planet!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0f4bc5946cde6

    Increasingly looking like a lurch to the ignorant reactionary extreme right.

    Glad I'm as far away from that demented country as it is possible to be while remaining on the same planet!!
    Sidewinder, you are amusing at times, unfortunately I suspect that it's mainly unintentional.

    You managed to go to the other side of the planet to settle in an English speaking country with the British Queen as head of state? Seriously, well done. Fair play, you.
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    May's blueprint: going full-on Keynesian, pump-priming the UK economy - sounds to me very much like a firm rejection of Osbornite austerity, with Brexit as the excuse.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-out-of-the-e/

    A far right blueprint, a lurch to the extreme reactionary right? Hardly sounds like it, and certainly not on economics - although as always the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
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    A map of all the countries offended by Boris Johnson so far.

    http://indy100.independent.co.uk/art...d--W1zaTLC63rW
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    Sidewinder, you are amusing at times, unfortunately I suspect that it's mainly unintentional.

    You managed to go to the other side of the planet to settle in an English speaking country with the British Queen as head of state? Seriously, well done. Fair play, you.
    Why do you need to engage in such petty personal attacks?

    Maybe he did not base his move purely on that, but that he was expressing a relief at not being directly affected by the neo-colonialist politics playing out in London and Stormont?

    I live in Poland. Do you think I like politics or religion in this country? It is easier to disengage though a lot of the time for me due to the language barrier on things like politics, which I can use an excuse to profess ignorance despite my private view that this is generally an ignorant country when it comes to politics, religion, sexuality, social liberalism and knowledge of the outside world(despite progress in speaking and understanding, I find reading to be more than a challenge). However, I am sure there are no end of sneering people in Ireland who would accuse me of tolerating racism, religious bigotry, homophobia etc. simply by living here. Next to all that, having an inbred medieval-opionated monarch as symbolic head of a de facto liberal Republic like NZ is pretty much nothing to be ashamed of.

    I have quietly disowned the more extreme people here who tried to be my friends and got on with life. I really think immigrants have no control over the host environment so all they can do is adapt and try not to become hostage to dogma. Wherever people stay permanently, or in my case for the medium term, is their choice but it may have been due to work, a desire to escape an old way of life, and it should be respected. I am pretty sure some people here would label me a communist but I don't care about their inbred illiteracy and irrational hatred of leftwing politics. Why should Sidewinder lose sleep over a symbolic non-issue? The real issue is how does local politics affect your life, your potential, your prospects of settling down and contributing as an immigrant in the host country, and in that respect Britain is a world beater right now, even threatening to kick out many EU citizens based purely on racism alone.

    Politics is not the primary reason a working class or lower middle class person emigrates.

    I think it is very brave to move to NZ permanently. Personally I could not do so, though I have no desire to return 'home'(the house I grew up in is no longer occupied by my father or younger siblings and 3/5 of us have emigrated anyways) as I firmly believe life there would be terrible. My sister is thinking of moving home from America and I have told her it's a terrible idea.

    People are entitled to express contempt based on their new homeland if they want but ridiculing them on a symbolic technicality is really petty.

    I actually think Britain is going to rapidly become the worst place in Europe to materially live pretty soon bar the extremely poor countries to the east and south of me. Their poverty levels are already on a par with Poland's. I am sure their inequality levels are only behind America's and maybe the Republic's(except their social welfare system in Britain and the North is even worse than ours!!!!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    I actually think Britain is going to rapidly become the worst place in Europe to materially live pretty soon bar the extremely poor countries to the east and south of me.
    I doubt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    I doubt it.
    Do you ?

    I'm just reading today's Sunday Times on homelessness in London.

    It is sparse on stats, but says the average life expectancy of homeless women is 43.

    Manchester is awash with homeless young people.

    What Ireland and the UK has in common that is driving up homelessness is an increasing proportion of the adult population being on incomes that are not enough to cover costs of private rental of a flat or house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Do you ?

    I'm just reading today's Sunday Times on homelessness in London.
    Can't find anything in the Sunday Times on this, did you mean the Observer?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ondon-homeless
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