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    The Socialist Party appears not to have any independent election policy or manifesto, but on its website links the Anti Austerity Alliance shared policies with PBP.

    The AAA and PBP have formed a 'Left Bloc', standing on 'common principles'. The Bloc does not extend to a full electoral pact, it appears, moreso a mutual vote of confidence.

    The AAA is substantially a Socialist Party front organisation. Whilst described on the Socialist Party website as a "Socialist Party TD" in 2014 Paul Murphy stood in Dublin South West as an AAA candidate. Coppinger, Higgins and Murphy all appear as "Socialist Party TDs" on the Socialist Party website and "Anti Austerity Alliance TDs" in the AAA website.

    The Socialist Party is part of the CWI, a Trotskyist international organisation. SP strategies in Ireland often mirror the British SPs tactics.

    The Socialist Party website increasingly focuses on the kind of liberal social issues with which Labour once hoped to win credibility - marriage equality, abortion rights and so on. Whilst these are important issues, they are not issues on which social revolution has ever or will ever be based.
    The Party's other main strand of activity is campaigning against taxes and service charges. In 2014 it renamed itself "Stop the Water Tax - The Socialist Party" but stood its local election candidates under the AAA banner.

    The SP was very late to notice the homelessness crisis, and generally ignores issues like Traveller housing and the payment of the Magdalene laundry workers and does not appear in recent years to have had much impact in the Trade Union movement or amongst youths. Increasingly, it seems to have grown closer to the SWP / SBP, with a restless shifting from one front to another, without giving any of them time to mature politically, a focuse on liberal social issues, and a failure to build a base in the Unions and working class neighbourhoods. Interviewed on RTE half an hour ago on crime and gangsterism, Paul Murphy opposed the Special Courts on the basis of the human right to a fair jury trial, but did not talk about what is going on in society and in working class communities that leads to gangsterism, and how communities are harmed by it, or mention the repeated evidence of Garda complicity with the drugs trade.

    In spite of some correct words about Greece and the need for radical economic shifts to escape neoliberalism, there is no critique by the SP of Syriza's almost entire reliance on the Parliamentary system and failure to organise in the Unions and in communities in such a way as to be able to practically mobilise the working class as an independent force when the EU Institutions launched their attack on Greece under Syriza.

    In spite of all the correct words about how Syriza fostered illusions in ending austerity under the EU institutions, the 'common principles' do exactly the same as Syriza, calling for joint actions against the EU / ECB agenda,
    not for leaving or dismantling them. Feeble is too strong a word for it. The Bloc encourages the idea that all we need to do is tax the rich and nationalise industry and bob's your uncle, we're all equal and the economy is hunky dory.
    There is no warning given (as Syriza did not warn) that this would mean a life and death battle involving the whole population against the Institutions that would try to destroy any such government.

    AAA-PBP Launches ‘Common Principles: Radical Alternatives & Real Equality’

    • A new type of politics, based on people power
    • Real recovery for 99% means challenging rule of 1% – Apple should pay back taxes, establish minimum effective corporation tax rate of 12.5%, introduce Millionaire’s Tax and establish debt audit commission
    • Public investment to develop quality services & infrastructure, strategic enterprise and create decent jobs
    • Scrap austerity taxes and reverse austerity cuts
    • Fight for equality – repeal the 8th amendment, end discrimination by schools, separate church and state

    The Anti-Austerity Alliance – People Before Profit left bloc launched ‘Common Principles: Radical Alternatives & Real Equality’ today. It outlines a different vision for politics in Ireland, based on mobilising people power, as seen in the movement against the water charges. By harnessing this power, fundamental change can be won. Key issues highlighted are the need to abolish austerity taxes, reverse austerity cuts and invest in housing, jobs, education and health. There are considerable wealth and resources in our society that could be re-distributed to provide a real recovery for the majority – through seeking the back taxes owed by Apple, imposing a minimum effective rate of corporation tax of 12.5% and taxing the super-rich.
    Alongside the anti-water charges movement, the last year has seen a tremendous movement for marriage equality. The demand for equality is one held by a majority of the population, yet real change is held back by the conservative political parties. The AAA-PBP stands unapologetically for a separation of church and state and an end to the discrimination against women, LGBTQ people and immigrants. It calls for an immediate repeal of the 8th amendment ban on abortion and legislation for the right to choose. It also calls for an end to right of schools to discriminate against children because of their religion.
    http://antiausterityalliance.ie/2016...real-equality/

    I've just tried to find a list of candidates for the AAA and SP, but neither website as yet seems to have put one up. The bloc is standing 31 candidates.

    I would like to be able to give a more enthusiastic report on the SP but it seems to me to be a Party that is getting politically more and more feeble in political stance and diffuse in activity. I would be interested to know where its class base is in terms of support. You would struggle to find the word Marxism on its website and it shows only fragmentary interest in economic developments (which are fundamental drivers of the political superstructure) or in events outside the EU. In the centenary of 1916, it appears to have nothing to say on the National Question. The height of its ambition appears to be to raise an extra 2 billion euro in taxing corporations and the rich.

    I would still of course be voting/giving preferences to Left Bloc if possible, along with left independents and SF.
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    During a three week campaign .. when the SP are fighting night and day to win a few seats...... and when they will almost certainly be attacked daily by the right ......they won't assisted at all by attacks from the left ...... and I sure hope they won't be diverted into hair-splitting arguments about Marxist theory ....... in the midst of a general election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riposte View Post
    During a three week campaign .. when the SP are fighting night and day to win a few seats...... and when they will almost certainly be attacked daily by the right ......they won't assisted at all by attacks from the left ...... and I sure hope they won't be diverted into hair-splitting arguments about Marxist theory ....... in the midst of a general election.
    The disaster that came out of Syriza's approach was hardly a hair splitting matter. The Socialist Party is saying one thing, and doing another, on what they say is the most important electoral question.

    Still, it is great to know that you have the best interests of the left in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The disaster that came out of Syriza's approach was hardly a hair splitting matter. The Socialist Party is saying one thing, and doing another, on what they say is the most important electoral question.

    Still, it is great to know that you have the best interests of the left in mind.

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    I was going to type a reply - but then said the myself 'I have better things to be doing that answering this nonsense'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant View Post
    I was going to type a reply - but then said the myself 'I have better things to be doing that answering this nonsense'
    So an argument in favour of using the elections to highlight working class political independence is "nonsense" for someone who likes to think of himself as a "revolutionary socialist".

    Scared of reading a coherent exposure of the SP's electoral opportunism more like.

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    As far as I know that AAA is running the following 13 candidates in the GE. I say as far as I know because it is not exactly easy to arrive at this information. Their website does not detail it, for example. I arrived at the 13 by taking the list of AAA-PBP candidates and stripping out the PBP ones. Excuse me if I have made any error.

    Carlow-Kilkenny :
    Conor MacLiam (AAA) (SP)

    Cork East :
    Ciara Leonardi Roche (AAA)

    Cork North Central :
    Mick Barry (AAA) (SP)

    Cork South Central :
    Fiona Ryan (AAA) (SP)

    Dublin Bay North:
    Michael O'Brien (AAA) (SP)

    Dublin Central :
    Diana O'Dwyer (AAA) (SP)

    Dublin Fingal :
    Terry Kelleher (AAA) (SP)


    Dublin South West :
    Sandra Fay (AAA) (SP)
    Paul Murphy (AAA) (SP)

    Dublin West:
    Ruth Coppinger (AAA) (SP)


    Galway West :
    Tommy Holohan (AAA)


    Limerick City :
    Cian Prendiville (AAA) (SP)

    Longford-Westmeath (4 seats):
    Dom Parker (AAA)


    Of the 13 candidates, 10 are apparently (from online references) members of the Socialist Party. I cannot speak with regard to the other three .. they may be also. But we can safely say that at least three quarters of the candidates are SP.

    Is this not a bit strange for a supposedly broad based organisation that, we are told, has brought all sorts of new forces into the struggle against "austerity"
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolshevik View Post
    Good statement. You almost have me persuaded on the ballot spoiling option.

    You don't mention the Greek experience which I thought was a real eye-opener. The Socialist Party adopted a dual position, one leg in one leg out of Syriza, but after Syriza went into government with a far right group, was all over them like a rash. The CWI sister organisation in Greece made a partly correct critique - but missed the point that without extra parliamentary mobilisation, Syriza, and its supporters, were heading up a hopeless cul de sac.

    The Greek experience should be uppermost in our minds.

    I'm in favour of pushing foward left candidates in this election, without illusions about them, or the electoral system, as this pushes back the right wing and deepens the political experience of the working class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Good statement. You almost have me persuaded on the ballot spoiling option.

    You don't mention the Greek experience which I thought was a real eye-opener. The Socialist Party adopted a dual position, one leg in one leg out of Syriza, but after Syriza went into government with a far right group, was all over them like a rash. The CWI sister organisation in Greece made a partly correct critique - but missed the point that without extra parliamentary mobilisation, Syriza, and its supporters, were heading up a hopeless cul de sac.

    The Greek experience should be uppermost in our minds.

    I'm in favour of pushing foward left candidates in this election, without illusions about them, or the electoral system, as this pushes back the right wing and deepens the political experience of the working class.
    I had Greece and Syriza in one of the drafts but dropped it for reasons of space (I will be producing this as a physical leaflet for distribution at the Right2Change protest on 20 Feb) - might have been a mistake.

    I seriously considered a position of critical support to the likes of the AAA and PBP etc but given the problem of the populist political disorientation that SF and their supporters have spread in the anti-water charges movement, and now in the wider working class, I decided to approach the elections, including the tactical issue of calling for votes, from the point of view of highlighting the importance of working class political independence - which I believe to be a central question for any fundamental social change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolshevik View Post
    I had Greece and Syriza in one of the drafts but dropped it for reasons of space (I will be producing this as a physical leaflet for distribution at the Right2Change protest on 20 Feb) - might have been a mistake.

    I seriously considered a position of critical support to the likes of the AAA and PBP etc but given the problem of the populist political disorientation that SF and their supporters have spread in the anti-water charges movement, and now in the wider working class, I decided to approach the elections, including the tactical issue of calling for votes, from the point of view of highlighting the importance of working class political independence - which I believe to be a central question for any fundamental social change.
    There is Egypt, too.

    Will you be out canvassing for vote spoiling, and putting forward an alternative ?
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    What about Iceland? Shows that a small nation can survive outside of large globalist bankster power blocks without necessarily ditching capitalism. But that probably wouldn't fit the narrative Bolshevik wishes to present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    What about Iceland? Shows that a small nation can survive outside of large globalist bankster power blocks without necessarily ditching capitalism. But that probably wouldn't fit the narrative Bolshevik wishes to present.
    Is survival the height of our ambition ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    There is Egypt, too.

    Will you be out canvassing for vote spoiling, and putting forward an alternative ?
    I won't be canvassing as such but I, along with a few others, will be distributing a few thousand copies of the leaflet at the Right2Change demo on 20 Feb. I have also distributed this on various electronic forums and am having some interesting discussions about it. A limited impact in the overall scheme of things I know but I do what I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    What about Iceland? Shows that a small nation can survive outside of large globalist bankster power blocks without necessarily ditching capitalism. But that probably wouldn't fit the narrative Bolshevik wishes to present.
    If my narrative does not explain the world then it is not a useful narrative and needs to be updated and developed.

    I must confess to not knowing all the details about Iceland but in a short google search I did find the following which makes me wonder just what this "survival" has really meant for working people there:

    "Iceland's recovery has become a myth wrapped in a legend inside a legend. It let its banks fail, slashed household debt, let its currency collapse, put capital controls in place—and now it's doing better than those countries that did austerity! In reality, Iceland let its banks fail for foreigners, wrote down household debt only after their laws had made it worse, had no choice but to watch the krona plummet, but, at the same time, tried to keep it from plunging too far by limiting how much money people could take out of the country . Oh, and it did more austerity than any country not named Greece. The truth is a more complicated place."
    - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ry-of-iceland/

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