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    I wonder what is causing the increase in amount of whale strandings on beaches on either side of the English channel, Scotland and North Ireland. [links to come]http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/30ft-whale-washes-up-on-shore-at-portstewart-strand-31583330.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-35491621

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rn-Europe.html

    https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...cottish-beach/


    The issue is continually making the news of late and i picked up on the figure that the likes has not been seen/recorded in 100 years. There's suggestion that some of the whales are in the wrong sea to begin with let alone beaching themselves.

    Renowned navigators, what could possibly be affecting their sense of bearing right now?

    Any views anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    I wonder what is causing the increase in amount of whale strandings on beaches on either side of the English channel, Scotland and North Ireland. [links to come]http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/30ft-whale-washes-up-on-shore-at-portstewart-strand-31583330.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-35491621

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rn-Europe.html

    https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...cottish-beach/


    The issue is continually making the news of late and i picked up on the figure that the likes has not been seen/recorded in 100 years. There's suggestion that some of the whales are in the wrong sea to begin with let alone beaching themselves.

    Renowned navigators, what could possibly be affecting their sense of bearing right now?

    Any views anyone?
    Very sad Trow... And unusual.

    I don't know what's the cause. I read a recent piece about the effects of pollutants in marine water's and the effects on whales and dolphins.
    PCBs still pose a threat in particular area's around Irish and British waters.

    My phone won't let me copy the link... Will do again!

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    Report finds whales and dolphins unable to breed due to pollutants http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irela...ants-1.2517200

    Bottlenose dolphins, striped dolphins and killer whales or orcas are under enormous threat from persistent pollutants such as toxic chemicals, the study involving 31 partners, including in Ireland, found. Some of these pollutants are no longer produced, but are still making their way into the marine environment from landfill leachate, the research published in Scientific Reports says.
    Among them are organochlorines such as poly-chlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) used in electrical equipment from the 1920s. PCBs were banned in Britain in 1981 and in the rest of the EU from 1987.
    However, excessive concentrations have been found in the blubber of more than 1,000 dolphins and killer whales over the past two decades, affecting both breeding ability and immune systems in particular “hotspots”, including Irish and British waters.
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    Well, the shallow North Sea has been known to be a whale trap for centuries. Apparently their acoustic orientation/navigation doesn't work particularly well in shallow waters.

    These sperm whale bulls are said to be coming from the Azores and their increasing "Wanderlust" might actually be an indicator for a growing population.
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    That's one theory Fraxinus @ above.. Found this concerning Submarine activity and it's affects on Whales and Dolphins. Between Sonar, torpedo and other explosive tests i think it's possible this British military activity could be a suspect in the cause of splitting Whale pods..

    http://seawatchfoundation.org.uk/wp-...tland-2000.pdf

    Quote.. INTRODUCTION The waters of western Scotland are one of the most important cetacean habitats
    in Europe with 24 species recorded from the region (Parsons et al., 1999) ranging from the harbour
    porpoise in coastal waters to the blue whale and mysticetes in offshore waters. The region is also a major
    area for military exercises and activities (Figure 1) including:
    • submarine exercises;
    • torpedo testing;
    • firing ranges; and
    • training exercises unquote.

    Sorry i blead over you Total, good info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    That's one theory Fraxinus @ above.. Found this concerning Submarine activity and it's affects on Whales and Dolphins. Between Sonar, torpedo and other explosive tests i think it's possible this British military activity could be a suspect in the cause of splitting Whale pods..

    http://seawatchfoundation.org.uk/wp-...tland-2000.pdf

    Quote.. INTRODUCTION The waters of western Scotland are one of the most important cetacean habitats
    in Europe with 24 species recorded from the region (Parsons et al., 1999) ranging from the harbour
    porpoise in coastal waters to the blue whale and mysticetes in offshore waters. The region is also a major
    area for military exercises and activities (Figure 1) including:
    • submarine exercises;
    • torpedo testing;
    • firing ranges; and
    • training exercises unquote.

    Sorry i blead over you Total, good info.
    Very interesting Trow. I will read paper in full tomorrow.
    As already something of a trap for whale's could that activity be making things worse...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    I wonder what is causing the increase in amount of whale strandings on beaches on either side of the English channel, Scotland and North Ireland. [links to come]http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/30ft-whale-washes-up-on-shore-at-portstewart-strand-31583330.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-35491621

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rn-Europe.html

    https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...cottish-beach/


    The issue is continually making the news of late and i picked up on the figure that the likes has not been seen/recorded in 100 years. There's suggestion that some of the whales are in the wrong sea to begin with let alone beaching themselves.

    Renowned navigators, what could possibly be affecting their sense of bearing right now?

    Any views anyone?

    look at the map .. they are all in the North Sea ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by random new yorker View Post
    look at the map .. they are all in the North Sea ...
    The two links on the Sperm whales are north Sea. The Orca stranding and Fin whale strandings are this side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by random new yorker View Post
    look at the map .. they are all in the North Sea ...
    Read the OP again... Quote..'' links to come.'' unquote.

    Here.. http://www.france24.com/en/20151103-...es-voluntarily

    Quote. Another 49ft whale was found dead on a beach at Hemmes de Marck, near Calais in the English Channel on Tuesday. The mammal was already in the process of decomposition. unquote.

    Good observation anyway.
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    Before we blame it all on evil all-polluting mankind in general and the Royal Navy in particular it should be noted that "whales have beached throughout human history, so many strandings can be attributed to natural and environmental factors, such as rough weather, weakness due to old age or infection, difficulty giving birth, hunting too close to shore, or navigation errors."

    Wiki on Cetacean stranding.

    Every year, up to 2,000 animals beach themselves. Although the majority of strandings result in death, they pose no threat to any species as a whole. Only about 10 cetacean species frequently display mass beachings, with 10 more rarely doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    Before we blame it all on evil all-polluting mankind in general and the Royal Navy in particular it should be noted that "whales have beached throughout human history,
    Found this, very interesting...

    Quote. Historical trends in the incidence of strandings of sperm whales
    (Physeter macrocephalus) on North Sea coasts: An association
    with positive temperature anomalies unquote. http://www.abdn.ac.uk/marfish/pdfs/Pierce2007b.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    Before we blame it all on evil all-polluting mankind in general and the Royal Navy in particular it should be noted that "whales have beached throughout human history, so many strandings can be attributed to natural and environmental factors, such as rough weather, weakness due to old age or infection, difficulty giving birth, hunting too close to shore, or navigation errors."

    Wiki on Cetacean stranding.
    True but the link about the Scottish-Irish Orca population seems particularly grave.

    No calves since the 80's. Doesn't bode well.

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    Ursula Siebert (Director of the Institute for Terrestrial and Aquatic Wildlife Research in Büsum) says, Sperm whale strandings in the region have been documented as early as the 16th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    No calves since the 80's. Doesn't bode well.
    No, it doesn't.

    Let's blame it on the Scots then. Had they gotten it right the Brits would have to shut down BUTEC and the Orcas could be breading in peace again.

    There was controversy when a high-powered sonar device was tested on the range in 2002, which had been blamed for the deaths of whales and dolphins and that had been banned in the USA.
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    Could the Navy, any navy or Greenpeace be called upon to co-ordinate an exercise to somehow divert pods of whales from the dead pool that is the Southern North Sea and English Channel.

    Knowing their migration routes and likely locations they could all play war games and pretend the whales are enemy submarines and deploy sonar to steer the whales to deeper waters.

    With modern technology surely beacons emitting mating sounds or whatever could be deployed to point the way.

    Aswell as examining the cause we should look for the cure.
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