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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Agree with the IT writer's view.

    Ireland should be looking for money from the UK not EU. It was a UK decision that created the issue, they should pay the price, but are trying to avoid the consequences at every turn. Any other country in a similar situation would probably do likewise.
    Why would the UK pay Ireland ? Should Ireland sue them for breaking treaties ? Ireland could, of course, veto any agreement with the EU. But the UK is prepared to walk without an agreement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Agree with the IT writer's view.

    Ireland should be looking for money from the UK not EU. It was a UK decision that created the issue, they should pay the price, but are trying to avoid the consequences at every turn. Any other country in a similar situation would probably do likewise.[/QUOTE

    Why would the UK pay Ireland ? Should Ireland sue them for breaking treaties ? Ireland could, of course, veto any agreement with the EU. But the UK is prepared to walk without an agreement.
    Although i'll admit the UK would be wary of setting a precedent, they should be paying RoI not to use it's veto. The risks of "offending" the rest of the individual EU countries, (as opposed to the EU as a whole) are much smaller, and the benefits greater.
    If they walk, with no agreement, they'll likely be back cap in hand, in about 10 years, and everyone's time will have been wasted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Although i'll admit the UK would be wary of setting a precedent, they should be paying RoI not to use it's veto. The risks of "offending" the rest of the individual EU countries, (as opposed to the EU as a whole) are much smaller, and the benefits greater.
    If they walk, with no agreement, they'll likely be back cap in hand, in about 10 years, and everyone's time will have been wasted.
    The serious pro-Brexiteers are making a case that the agreements being put forward by May are worse than no agreement. Going back would be a little like being unborn. Hard to see it happening.
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    yerman i work for still reckons theyll pull back from leavin in the end....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dedogs View Post
    yerman i work for still reckons theyll pull back from leavin in the end....
    I've heard that a lot of people are conceived as a result of that misconception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    I've heard that a lot of people are conceived as a result of that misconception.


    I see "yerwoman"is saying "I will deliver what the people voted for" that is leaving the EU, the who;e nine yards.
    Is that putting it up, once and for all? If the remainers push it then she will she call an election? Hoping for a real majority of the leavers?

    An ancillary, would there be a move to dump her instead? In favour of whom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post


    I see "yerwoman"is saying "I will deliver what the people voted for" that is leaving the EU, the who;e nine yards.
    Is that putting it up, once and for all? If the remainers push it then she will she call an election? Hoping for a real majority of the leavers?

    An ancillary, would there be a move to dump her instead? In favour of whom?
    There is a three way divide - the May Fudge - the supposed middle road of soft Brexit - Brexit but with market access and many EU rules applied - Then here are those Leavers who wish to walk no matter what, and who aren't really interested in an agreement - and then there are the Remainers.

    May's disadvantage is that there is no evidence that any soft option exists, - and every chance that if it did, in would be electorally toxic, with May being blamed for everything that goes wrong, by both sides.

    Government has started to lose votes, and Labour is only just beginning to split over Brexit. One hell of a mess but the trajectory is all towards a rough and unready Brexit.

    Very disturbing to hear Simon Coveney wittering on about whether or not border posts are visible. That says to me that Government is not even trying to get its head around trade and citizen rights / human rights issues, and not doing the work on implications for rupture of British-Irish treaties.

    And we are going into this on the basis of having abdicated Ireland's claim to the whole territory of the island of Ireland, in exchange for British-drafted GFA.

    We are in serous ostrich behaviour mode right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    I've heard that a lot of people are conceived as a result of that misconception.
    hes 100 % convinced in fairness.... he reckons they were totally hatchet to vote for it day 1.....

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    https://mobile.twitter.com/rowena_ka...764608/photo/1


    Brexit is going just spiffingly for the auld Empire lovers.


    It's staggering how badly Unionism has played its hand in the last 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post


    https://mobile.twitter.com/rowena_ka...764608/photo/1


    Brexit is going just spiffingly for the auld Empire lovers.


    It's staggering how badly Unionism has played its hand in the last 2 years.
    Hm... I often wonder in these polls is there an element of "answers don't matter, such a poll will never happen"

    I see this a.m. that a "third way" ffs, is proposed. Some sort of fudge, staying in the single market, or whatever, until whenever..

    Presumably the EU wiil say no to that? Their line has been consistent, stay or go on a fixed time table...

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    Hm... I often wonder in these polls is there an element of "answers don't matter, such a poll will never happen"

    I see this a.m. that a "third way" ffs, is proposed. Some sort of fudge, staying in the single market, or whatever, until whenever..

    Presumably the EU wiil say no to that? Their line has been consistent, stay or go on a fixed time table...
    Of course all polls should be taken with a bucket of salt, this Lucid Talk polling company are very very accurate when they poll on NI Elections. The reason they can be so accurate is the tribal nature of NI politics.

    The post GFA period of the Stormont Assembly operating functionally with the Chuckle Brothers getting on famously was IMO something that the majority in NI were very content with. In NI Polling figures were very high amongst both communities for satisfaction with the way the NI policing, health and Local governance issues were running. Since Brexit the polarisation between Nationalist and Unionist voters has become very apparent and the Unionist powerbase ( which was badly shook by the rise in SFs vote in NI ) has become unstable with the DUP being far too extreme for the likes of Alliance to line up with them, in fact the rise of the DUP is pushing the Neutral parties in NI into a kind of business-like Liberal Alliance with SF.

    Brexit ( for Nationalists it's removing them from a best of both worlds existing Union with the ROI ) and the death of the diplomatic Martin McGuinness and the ascent of a hostile to Nationalists leadership in the DUP has wrecked the political ceasefire in NI over constitutional matters.

    There have been a lot of "events" in NI over the last two years and "events" are what turns normality into chaos. The current chaos of a nutty incompetent Tory party making a huge mess of Brexit isn't exactly the type of thing that sells the Union in NI.




    That Ch4 newsclip shows that the Soft Unionist vote is open to change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    Of course all polls should be taken with a bucket of salt, this Lucid Talk polling company are very very accurate when they poll on NI Elections. The reason they can be so accurate is the tribal nature of NI politics.

    The post GFA period of the Stormont Assembly operating functionally with the Chuckle Brothers getting on famously was IMO something that the majority in NI were very content with. In NI Polling figures were very high amongst both communities for satisfaction with the way the NI policing, health and Local governance issues were running. Since Brexit the polarisation between Nationalist and Unionist voters has become very apparent and the Unionist powerbase ( which was badly shook by the rise in SFs vote in NI ) has become unstable with the DUP being far too extreme for the likes of Alliance to line up with them, in fact the rise of the DUP is pushing the Neutral parties in NI into a kind of business-like Liberal Alliance with SF.

    Brexit ( for Nationalists it's removing them from a best of both worlds existing Union with the ROI ) and the death of the diplomatic Martin McGuinness and the ascent of a hostile to Nationalists leadership in the DUP has wrecked the political ceasefire in NI over constitutional matters.

    There have been a lot of "events" in NI over the last two years and "events" are what turns normality into chaos. The current chaos of a nutty incompetent Tory party making a huge mess of Brexit isn't exactly the type of thing that sells the Union in NI.




    That Ch4 newsclip shows that the Soft Unionist vote is open to change.
    Over 2000 people is a massive poll sample. I would think it is probably accurate. It is very unlikely indeed that people would be offered the opportunity to vote on that. If they were, the election period would be mired with all kinds of messing, particularly from the UK Gov. / State.
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    How will this work?


    UK plans to give Northern Ireland dual UK/EU status after Brexit - Reuters

    https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/uk-...uters-20180601
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    More in this



    David Davis praises 'constructive' talks with Michel Barnier in London
    The Brexit Secretary is also drawing up a 10 mile-wide buffer zone the length of Northern Ireland’s 310 mile border with Ireland.

    Dubbed a ‘special economic zone’, it will be for local traders such as dairy farmers – who make up 90 per cent of the cross border traffic – and share the same trade rules as south of the border.

    The two plans will together eradicate the need for any border check points, which is a major EU demand.



    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/642393...mpression=true
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