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    Quote Originally Posted by random new yorker View Post
    LOL yes... that's very funny .. I am enjoying it, i can tell you that !!! (poor chaps!)

    also how they go half way round the world blaming others for their own choices ... the EUs want revenge, blah blah, they will pay, everyone will suffer, they are not making Brexit easy, we want our cake and we want to eat it right now blah blah, whinos...
    Everyone is laughing at them and sizing them up to see how to take advantage of their weakness, but we're the ones that have to live with them. If they cough, we get covered in phlegm.

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    The position of the DUP is incoherent. They want to be treated exactly the same as Britain. Nothing must dilute Northern Ireland's Britishness. Yet they will not accept gay marriage or abortion.Presumably these things are just too British?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Og View Post
    The position of the DUP is incoherent. They want to be treated exactly the same as Britain. Nothing must dilute Northern Ireland's Britishness. Yet they will not accept gay marriage or abortion.Presumably these things are just too British?
    The DUP are more British than the English. All their guidance comes from a proper Protestant God with Dutch Orange blood in his veins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Og View Post
    The position of the DUP is incoherent. They want to be treated exactly the same as Britain. Nothing must dilute Northern Ireland's Britishness. Yet they will not accept gay marriage or abortion.Presumably these things are just too British?
    Ah it's not really incoherent, they're just interested in doing things Their Way which means pushing the bible bashing and refusing to countenance a UI. Being Ulster Protestants means way more to them than any wider sense of Britishness.

    The EU is pushing them towards a halfway house to a UI. They can't be seen to be accepting the halfway house model, because they know that once they go that route then the Unionists are in transition to a UI and their raison d'être ceases to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    Everyone is laughing at them and sizing them up to see how to take advantage of their weakness, but we're the ones that have to live with them. If they cough, we get covered in phlegm.
    yes i know...sorry i find their predicament quite funny ... they are a bit flummoxed by the fact that the EUs (for the most part) care about them as much as they cared about the EUs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    The DUP are more British than the English. All their guidance comes from a proper Protestant God with Dutch Orange blood in his veins.
    sounds like a case of " living fossils "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    Ah it's not really incoherent, they're just interested in doing things Their Way which means pushing the bible bashing and refusing to countenance a UI. Being Ulster Protestants means way more to them than any wider sense of Britishness.

    The EU is pushing them towards a halfway house to a UI. They can't be seen to be accepting the halfway house model, because they know that once they go that route then the Unionists are in transition to a UI and their raison d'être ceases to be.
    sounds like they can be bought ... as you guys explain above they are not exactly modern British but some fossilized version of it + the can do it their way attitude (that's british all right) ..they may be finding these days that their own way will have to "evolve" ..

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    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer

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    An aside - a UK government that is able to say that come what may, it will avoid hard borders with Ireland/NI after Brexit can never again tell Scotland that independence would mean a hard border between Scotland and rUK
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    So, we have the fudge, all 50 paragraphs of it.

    The spin is that we got what we wanted, Coveney has a grin, of sorts, Veradkar, wearing a suit, lists off all the + points, there are no - points, according to him.

    Our Trumpy pumpy, the former PM of one of the 27, says the 27 will carry on making laws, the UK will have to abide by them, without having any say in their drafting.

    Presumably, the UK will have to take in all the Polish plumbers who turn up during the transition period, of "about 2 years"

    Plenty there to keep both the pro and the anti side up and down out of their seats for the next few years. And what about the DUP?.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    Quote.. 53. The 1998 Agreement also includes important provisions on Rights, Safeguards and
    Equality of Opportunity for which EU law and practice has provided a supporting
    framework in Northern Ireland and across the island of Ireland. The United Kingdom
    commits to ensuring that no diminution of rights is caused by its departure from the
    European Union, including in the area of protection against forms of discrimination
    enshrined in EU law. The United Kingdom commits to facilitating the related work of
    the institutions and bodies, established by the 1998 Agreement, in upholding human
    rights and equality standards. unquote. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/site...int_report.pdf

    Hmmmm, what now for the issues of equality and rights re. the collapse of Stormont?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    Quote.. 53. The 1998 Agreement also includes important provisions on Rights, Safeguards and
    Equality of Opportunity for which EU law and practice has provided a supporting
    framework in Northern Ireland and across the island of Ireland. The United Kingdom
    commits to ensuring that no diminution of rights is caused by its departure from the
    European Union, including in the area of protection against forms of discrimination
    enshrined in EU law. The United Kingdom commits to facilitating the related work of
    the institutions and bodies, established by the 1998 Agreement, in upholding human
    rights and equality standards. unquote. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/site...int_report.pdf

    Hmmmm, what now for the issues of equality and rights re. the collapse of Stormont?
    just read paragraphs 49 and 50 ... LOL .. 49 says - regarding the Island of Ireland that - "the UK will maintain full alignment with the rules of the Internal Market and Customs Union "

    in other words MASSIVE WIN for Ireland !

    Congrats to all involved in getting this through!!

    (Big Island buddies now get to follow the rules set by someone else without a seat at the table, so much for Taking their country back or whatever garbage was the Brexiters were selling over there)

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    Quote Originally Posted by random new yorker View Post
    just read paragraphs 49 and 50 ... LOL .. 49 says - regarding the Island of Ireland that - "the UK will maintain full alignment with the rules of the Internal Market and Customs Union "

    in other words MASSIVE WIN for Ireland !

    Congrats to all involved in getting this through!!

    (Big Island buddies now get to follow the rules set by someone else without a seat at the table, so much for Taking their country back or whatever garbage was the Brexiters were selling over there)
    Can't wait for the local political tv shows to get the DUP on air to hear what they have to say. Any comment from Sinn Fein as yet, does anyone know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    So, we have the fudge, all 50 paragraphs of it.

    The spin is that we got what we wanted, Coveney has a grin, of sorts, Veradkar, wearing a suit, lists off all the + points, there are no - points, according to him.

    Our Trumpy pumpy, the former PM of one of the 27, says the 27 will carry on making laws, the UK will have to abide by them, without having any say in their drafting.

    Presumably, the UK will have to take in all the Polish plumbers who turn up during the transition period, of "about 2 years"

    Plenty there to keep both the pro and the anti side up and down out of their seats for the next few years. And what about the DUP?.....
    pretty good! read it....

    [ re the polish plumbers as far as I could tell last time I visited they need more not less .. maybe they can use them to replace those horrendous cold and hot water faucets by something that actually works and will not burn off yer skin every time you attempt to wash your hands .. ]

    ppl need to make sure there's enough room to allow the Brits to save face somewhat => ~ they get to keep their word and follow the rules they subscribed to cos the UK voted on these rules/laws ~ (no one is imposing laws from abroad etc that kind of spiel)

    it will be interesting to find out the framework of the UK-EU relationship for future agreements, at the moment the EU is just getting the UK to stick to the agreements they signed off before ..

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    Oops! Potential snags ahead... https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36389921.html

    Sinn Fein Deputy leader... Quote.. She added: “But I have to say to you that we need to be careful at this juncture in the midst of considerable hype not to miss a couple of essential and important points.

    “Number one: Theresa May and the British Government have repeated very very clearly that they, and by ‘they’ they mean also the North, will leave the customs union and also the single market.

    “That presents for us a real and present danger. It’s highly problematic.” unquote.. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/88...exit-Sinn-F-in
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