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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    Which US would be the question. Obama was somewhat in love with Merkel's EU but as we've seen with the CIA/FBI turf war backed type Presidential candidates, what you see on the surface is just window dressing for powerful interests behind the scenes.

    Trump has been pressured to tow the anti-Russia line to some degree and deep US foreign policy seems to come from the state organisations rather than from the political parties.

    Plus the Saudis do what the Saudis want to do, it would be interesting to understand why they'd seek to weaken the EU. I suppose the Saudis do not want any power block expanding its reach ( however limited) into their region.

    There's a lot of shady Actors running similar to Monroe Doctrine type interference in the world at the moment.
    I agree about window dressing. You will remember a certain tension over Ukraine when Merkel jumped ship to make a deal that stepped in the way of possible ground war there with NATO involvement. The US has taken care to make Eastern Europe primarily its turf (Kosovo, for example) in military terms, as a political unification of Russia, Eastern Europe, Turkey and Western Europe would be a competition nightmare for the US. All that industrial capacity, a very large population, and plenty of natural resources. And that did not look an impossible prospect, 20 years back.

    You will also recall all the talk a few years back of the Euro overtaking the dollar as dominant global currency. The way that the crash played out put paid to that.

    By and large, the US lets France and Britain have some post colonial crumbs in the Middle East and North Africa in exchange for putting its forces into play. But underlying that is raw competition, with the US having decisively displaced the British Empire in the mid 20th Century as main global colonial power, and not about to give up that position to anyone willingly. The end of the USSR put an end to the US interest in having a strong capitalist buffer in W. Europe.

    The Saudis have just signed off a 320 billion arms deal with the US and are being allowed to wreak havoc with Yemen. Saudi rival Qatar is under the hammer. I presume some price comes attached, on both US and Saudi sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    I agree about window dressing. You will remember a certain tension over Ukraine when Merkel jumped ship to make a deal that stepped in the way of possible ground war there with NATO involvement. The US has taken care to make Eastern Europe primarily its turf (Kosovo, for example) in military terms, as a political unification of Russia, Eastern Europe, Turkey and Western Europe would be a competition nightmare for the US. All that industrial capacity, a very large population, and plenty of natural resources. And that did not look an impossible prospect, 20 years back.

    You will also recall all the talk a few years back of the Euro overtaking the dollar as dominant global currency. The way that the crash played out put paid to that.

    By and large, the US lets France and Britain have some post colonial crumbs in the Middle East and North Africa in exchange for putting its forces into play. But underlying that is raw competition, with the US having decisively displaced the British Empire in the mid 20th Century as main global colonial power, and not about to give up that position to anyone willingly. The end of the USSR put an end to the US interest in having a strong capitalist buffer in W. Europe.

    The Saudis have just signed off a 320 billion arms deal with the US and are being allowed to wreak havoc with Yemen. Saudi rival Qatar is under the hammer. I presume some price comes attached, on both US and Saudi sides.
    There's a new dimension to all this, before it was just all opaque but largely in hand. Now much of it is dribbling out into the open and there are now multiple non conforming parties who are not just going to do what they are told, indeed with the Gulf countries they're often the ones telling Western countries what to do against those countries real preferences.

    Add in the BRICS and their increasing independence of action and The Law Of Unintended Consequences is rapidly becoming the norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    There's a new dimension to all this, before it was just all opaque but largely in hand. Now much of it is dribbling out into the open and there are now multiple non conforming parties who are not just going to do what they are told, indeed with the Gulf countries they're often the ones telling Western countries what to do against those countries real preferences.

    Add in the BRICS and their increasing independence of action and The Law Of Unintended Consequences is rapidly becoming the norm.
    I reckon it is a two way street with much wheeling and dealing and illusions and delusions on both sides of these devil's pacts. Certainly now there is a greater flow of information to the public - although far from complete, we must assume.
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    Not sure what these shenanagins have to do with brexit. If/when UK leaves they'll try to sort something with Russia, etc. Maybe all the shuffling is a sort of preparation?

    BTW, I mentioned the DUP/brexit thing on the UK GE thread, accounts for the rush to sign them up, already on board since Cameron times.... No requirement in NI to publish the names of donors.

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    Have to say that Cameron and Osborne are getting away with murder reputation wise as the feeding frenzy turns on their successors. Cameron's cynicism in trying to neuter the UKIP vote has thrown the UK into years of chaos and existential crisis and yet despite that Osborne gets to snipe away at May's Govt as if Osborne and Cameron were somehow innocent of guilt in the farce.

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    Well yes. Was Osborne in favour of the Referendum though? He is definitely giving the impression that he wasn't on board for the idea. On paper 80% of the ppl voted for a pro Brexit party. In reality I think - with no evidence whatever -that many who voted Leave really want the benefits without the costs. Which Boris implied they could have. Mr Cameron is not popular in our house. It's a nightmare getting Irish passports for my lads under the Granny rule. The worst bit is three proofs of address. They rent with other guys. No utility bills , its all smart cards ...sorry I veered off topic but I've seem to have spent months - and hundreds collecting documents. They have been instructed reproducing in the 27 or else!

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    Yea, both Cameron & Osborne ********d up. Happy now to wind up those they left behind.

    Short, medium and long term chaos, yes, but didn't we foresee that post the 2007 economic collapse? I saw yesterday that 85k new vehicles were registered here is the last 5 years... what crisis? This, like qe is the new norm, a financial engineering fudge to enable the economy to bumble along.

    brexit/whatsit - nobody knows, but, as I said already, a fudge will be found.

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    May offers guarantee on rights of EU citizens.

    The foremost reason for many voters was to rid the UK of them "bloody foreigners who are taking our precious jobs". And now this??? The irony...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    May offers guarantee on rights of EU citizens.

    The foremost reason for many voters was to rid the UK of them "bloody foreigners who are taking our precious jobs". And now this??? The irony...
    Typical opening gambit. Brits first shot. It sounds like a concession until you look in detail. What about family members of an EU citizen temporarily absence, for example. The long/medium term objective is to clear em out. If you arrive after March 2019 you will have no rights.

    This a.m. I hear the fishermen are rumbling, just one more issue....

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