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    Quote Originally Posted by count bobulescu View Post
    unlike cf, and others, i have a preference for short thread titles. If you were around here long enough, or had even read the posting guidelines, you might be aware of the significance.

    This post predates your joining by about a month.......

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    Back to topic, the ESRI today has belatedly produced a report on Brexit. Why not last year ?
    Anyhow, the prediction is a 1-4% shrinkage of the Irish economy, with impact on the debt to GDP ratio that might cause sweats and raised unemployment.

    The essence of Brexit, and Trump, I think, is a trend towards protectionism, in reaction to loss of jobs. Except of course, it is dog eat dog and the total numbers of global jobs will drop.

    Worrying trend - goes with right wing nationalism - back to the 1930s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Back to topic, the ESRI today has belatedly produced a report on Brexit. Why not last year ?
    Anyhow, the prediction is a 1-4% shrinkage of the Irish economy, with impact on the debt to GDP ratio that might cause sweats and raised unemployment.

    The essence of Brexit, and Trump, I think, is a trend towards protectionism, in reaction to loss of jobs. Except of course, it is dog eat dog and the total numbers of global jobs will drop.

    Worrying trend - goes with right wing nationalism - back to the 1930s.
    It seems that the global number of jobs is destined to fall regardless.

    Am reading a very interesting book called PostCapitalism at the moment which I would recommend thus far.

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    "If you go far enough to either extreme of the political spectrum, Communist or fascist, you'll find hard-eyed men with guns who believe that anybody who doesn't think as they do should be incarcerated or exterminated. " - Jim Garrison, Former DA, New Orleans.

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    Irish in UK will be protected after Brexit, Davis says
    Republic of Ireland is not regarded as a foreign country, House of Commons hears
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    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...says-1.2858575
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post

    Irish in UK will be protected after Brexit, Davis says
    Republic of Ireland is not regarded as a foreign country, House of Commons hears
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    hmmm... hmm i agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    Am reading a very interesting book called PostCapitalism at the moment which I would recommend thus far.
    Good for you, I recommended it on several threads here. Not very well written, imo, maybe even not very well argued, but full of thinking material.

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    Citi potentially moving jobs


    U.S. bank Citi (C.N) is preparing to move up to 900 jobs from London to Dublin as part of its contingency plans for Britain's exit from the European Union, the Sunday Times reported.

    The newspaper said the bank held a board meeting in Dublin last month, and cited sources in the Irish capital as saying Citi was exploring options for office space there.

    "They have been testing the Irish political and regulatory regime on a macro level," it quoted one source as saying.
    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1380GY
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    no plan?

    Colour me shocked

    BBC and The Times both claim access to a leaked memo 15 Nov

    the government has no overall Brexit plan and a negotiating strategy may not be agreed by the cabinet for six months
    Whitehall is working on 500 Brexit-related projects and could need 30,000 extra staff
    there is still no common exit strategy "because of divisions within the cabinet"
    The leaked Cabinet Office memo - written by an un-named consultant and entitled "Brexit Update" of 7 November - suggests it will take another six months before the government decides precisely what it wants to achieve from Brexit or agrees on its priorities.

    A government spokesman said it "didn't recognise" the claims made in the memo.

    According to The Times the memo says:

    "Every department has developed a 'bottom-up' plan of what the impact of Brexit could be - and its plan to cope with the 'worst case'.

    "Although necessary, this falls considerably short of having a 'government plan for Brexit' because it has no prioritisation and no link to the overall negotiation strategy."

    Plenty of work to be done still but the government's main focus right now will be winning their Supreme Court appeal due to be heard from 5 Dec
    http://news.forexlive.com/!/leaked-m...-plan-20161115
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    Thirty thousand extra jobs. Well it's an ill wind that blows nobody any good.But what an utter shambles it all is. Even if thousands of City workers relocate to Dublin our agri and pharma sectors are going to suffer.Perhaps May will offer something like a Norway deal to the electorate , once it becomes clear that the alternative is a supporting role in Oliver Twist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Og View Post
    Thirty thousand extra jobs. Well it's an ill wind that blows nobody any good.But what an utter shambles it all is. Even if thousands of City workers relocate to Dublin our agri and pharma sectors are going to suffer.Perhaps May will offer something like a Norway deal to the electorate , once it becomes clear that the alternative is a supporting role in Oliver Twist.
    They're gonna need people to hold placards protesting smaller Toblerones, and lighter Maltesers.......
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    Bad day at the negotiating office






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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    The "Have Cake and Eat it" model has been firmly rejected by the EU.

    Some more daffy discussion today on RTE about not havin a border in Ireland but requiring people travelling from the North to the 'mainland' to show their passports.

    Forgetting that the North would not be a part of the EU any more.

    There is no way I can see of squaring the GRA/Brexit circle apart from either a united ireland, withe the North staying in the EU, or a reunification of Ireland with the UK. And neither option is possible.
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    It is quite clear that the Eurozone is in a great deal of trouble as an economic entity (and that global neo-liberal capitalism generally is in a lot of trouble). Brexit is symptomatic. A British exit is clearly going to be agonising in ways foreseen and unforeseen. A British MP described the EU as a 'burning building with no way out'. I get what he means. A wider EU breakup or collapse of the Euro would have effects beyong imagining.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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