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    Cass, I'd agree with some of your opinions on the EU and it's origins etc.

    The Marshall plan offered the opportunity, Germany grabbed it and have benefitted ever since. 'National governments' have been moving to the right since the inception of the EU, as a result of German money initially and the fall of communism later.

    We have been a member since '73, and where are we? Meat, our only native product, is a monopoly controlled racket, we have prostituted ourselves in tourism (read Miriam Lord in today's IT, a great laugh, if you have stopped weeping), we have thousands of children living in hotels and b&bs.

    What are the benefits of our membership a 'right wing' cosy cartel between FG/FF.

    We are where we are, and we voted for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    Boris wants an election on 15th November after losing a vote tonight that prohibits leaving without a deal


    Corbyn will only agree to an election if the Bill is signed by the Queen to prevent no deal.

    They are worried that Boris will get the election, saying it will be on 15th Ictober, and move the date to 01/11
    I think he always wanted 15 October, however, if Corbyn and Co agree after 'their' Act passes, and Boris is forced to accept a (reluctantly obtained) deferral, he could win a GE, cancel their act and leave in (say) January?

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    https://assets.publishing.service.go...ptions_CDL.pdf

    Yellowhammer. Released in some form on instructions of the Commons to the wannabe Napoleon of G.B.

    You will have noted today that the woman who took a case to the Scottish Courts against prorogation has WON.

    Who will arrest Boris ?
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    silver lining




    on the plus side, Mike


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    Duty-free shopping with the EU is coming back, if we leave without a deal.

    People travelling to EU countries will be able to buy beer, spirits, wine and tobacco without duty being applied in the UK.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-free-shopping
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    We don’t need no stinking Mills


    Under a no-deal Brexit, flour would be subject to a tariff of €172 a tonne, which could add around 15 cents to the price of a humble sliced loaf.

    “We have two mills in Belfast and 60% of their output goes into the Republic of Ireland. Ireland doesn’t have any bulk commercial mill at all and imports the rest of its flour from the UK,” said Michael Bell, the executive director of Northern Ireland’s Food and Drink Association.

    For Irish bakers, the choices are to absorb the cost, pass it on to the consumer or source flour in France, Germany or Lithuania.

    “Can you source the flour in France? No,” said Bell. “Their mill structure is different and their flour has a different protein content which is good for baguettes but not for high-rise bread.”

    Bakers have looked at getting flour further afield, in Germany or Lithuania, said Waugh but the cost of getting it back to Ireland added significant overheads and logistical challenges.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ead-in-ireland
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    Here we go again. I think my first post on this thread asked 'why, after 40+ years in the EU, have wee given up producing food for our needs?'

    The reason is simple - 'liberal economics' means cost of production is the principle criterion. This means we mill no flour, make hardly any biscuits, import our cornflakes, etc., etc. Thank goodness we still make Sudocream and Taytos.

    Now it is back to bite us on the bum.

    The ultimate irony, Aldi, a German retailer, is importing Irish raised meat from UK processors because the effective monopoly of slaughtering in Ireland has stopped producing, blaming farmers for protesting.

    What exactly has membership of the EU given us?

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    There was a reason the Normans had little success in conquering anything long-term outside the pale and south east. Their tillage based system was no match for the Irish climate in the west, midlands and north, and the suitability of the area for pastoralism which was the economy of the native Gaelic population. I'm looking at fields of grain in the west here the past few weeks and they look a sorry state. However, we should be producing far more vegetables than we are producing.

    The EU has been effectively subsidising farmers to farm agriculturaly poor land in the west and mountaineous regions so that people stay in those areas. That model is coming to an end/breaking point now as even with subsidies, the farms are becoming unviable.

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    There is a couple of possible directions this could go. The small farms become obsolete and you end up with a British system with a small number of huge intensively managed farms. Or a climate or biodiversity payment is given to farmers in those areas where land is of poor agricultural value. Managing land for a product like good water quality or carbon sequestration or for biodiversity value, instead of the product being food, and it would be an ecosystem service service payment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    What exactly has membership of the EU given us?
    Cheap food, subsidized farming (which incidentally impoverishes Africa) plus turning a blind eye to tax scamming.

    It's called neo-liberalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    Cheap food, subsidized farming (which incidentally impoverishes Africa) plus turning a blind eye to tax scamming.

    It's called neo-liberalism.
    Precisely.

    Fraxinus suggest,IMO, a possible solution, become a biodiversity icon. However, I doubt that the average farmholder in the West gives a tuppeny damn about biodiversity. 40+ years of handouts has created a population of beggars.

    Ironically, the current dispute with the farmers illustrates perfectly the effect of the (UK) cheap food policy.

    Never mind, if Boris succeeds we will have the hand out again to the EU for 'support'

    It may be neo-liberalism, but in reality it is prostitution to the EU's policies.

    Latest poll shows we are in for another period of tweedle-dum, tweedle-dee politics, what a lovely prospect, as well as neo-liberalism.

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