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    The mood music coming from the UK Govt is that they are ready to have a managed No Deal transition period by paying £20bn to the EU to agree to a non chaotic transition period until the UK is ready to have a WTO Brexit.

    While all that is probably just bluster to appease the hard-Brexiteers in the Tory Party, a hard Brexit itself could become a matter of course as the ramping up of the UKs hard-Brexit rhetoric and planning creates its own momentum.

    Talk too of getting the DUP on side which would bring plenty of Torys back onside with the May deal. It's been mooted that all Varadkar has to do is concede 5% to rescue the May Deal.

    It all sounds like hot air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    Indeed, the current rage in the UK over the Backstop kind of shows the hollowness of the "No selfish strategic or economic interest" in Northern Ireland" line trotted out by the UK during the GFA.

    It's clear that there's a very significant body of UK politicians who don't respect the simple fact that the majority in NI want the Backstop, so the only ones willing to bring the UK to its knees economically are the UK-Nationalists in the House Of Commons.
    The amount of respect or credibility given to the GFA (and to Ireland as an entity) surely doesn't amount to much when a British PM roars to the House "“The European Union should be clear, I will not overturn the result of the referendum, nor will I break up my country."
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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    Another read, from an Irish journo... https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/1...r-think-he-is/

    Once again, you could not make it up.

    Yesterday's NYT had a very interesting flow chart on the possible outcomes. Everywhere you look there is nothing but "if....but"

    What is the latest betting? Probably the best predictive.
    There is an underlying Imperial hostility certainly between France and Germany and the UK. The EU/big states have taken every opportunity to raise antagonism towards the EU in Britain. No reaching out whatsoever.

    Hysterical article, but right about FG " In truth Ireland has made itself into the willing weapon of a new imperial power: Brussels." - although leaving out the rather obvious truth that Ireland has every right to look after its own perceived best interests. That is what sticks in their craw.

    Last edited by C. Flower; 19-12-2018 at 11:34 AM.
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    No deal Brexit is going to be worked on over Christmas and it is the only thing that is being worked on, as there is hardly any expectation of a completely new agreement between the U.K. and E.U. As May is a long way off a majority for her agreement, no-deal Brexit is the default.

    British troops will be on stand by. https://www.politico.eu/article/brex...be-on-standby/
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    Cass, on the contrary, the UK was never serious re EU. Oh yes, Heath signed them up, but nobody understood what the implications were.

    Remember the ink throwing incident at the signing ceremony??

    A typical example,the UK did not have a Director General in Brussels until 1974, a year after they joined, and he was a techie who had already worked in Ispra. The only other DG in the first few years was the DG of the (then) foreign affairs portfolio, who was an old pal of Heath's and had been around the Foreign (and Colonial) Office for years.

    The UK didn't have any office with responsibility for installing UK functionaires until about 1975.

    It wasn't until Thatcher wanted her money back that they started to look seriously. They fudged along until June 2016, when the sh.. hit the fan and the renegades in Whitehall won the war.

    Of course the French and the Germans didn't want them, after all De Gaulle blocked them for years. In time the French and Germans tended to ignore them and only for business reasons are they willing to negotiate a deal, they would rather say 'f-off'

    The Spectator piece is a typical anti-Oirish rant, he was actually born in the UK....

    OTOH, as I've said on here many times,the shambles we are now in is partly of our own making, exporting 4bn worth of stuff to the UK is easy-peasy, upgrading our product line and looking elsewhere is 'too hard'

    Best wishes of the season to all, looking forward to interesting times in '19.

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    EU citizens (Irish excluded) who live in the UK and wish to remain beyond 2021 have to apply


    If you’re an EU citizen, you and your family will be able to apply to the EU Settlement Scheme to continue living in the UK after 30 June 2021. If your application is successful, you’ll get either settled or pre-settled status.

    You may be able to stay in the UK without applying - for example, if you’re an Irish citizen or have indefinite leave to remain (ILR).

    https://www.gov.uk/settled-status-eu-citizens-families
    Last edited by DCon; 28-12-2018 at 09:40 PM.
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    So, the CTA is alive and kicking? Interesting that the doc seems to just state 'Irish' as exempt. Wonder what that includes, passport holders? or Irish by birth or Irish by the fact that you have/had rellies born here (like footballers)?

    Can of worms stuff, IMO.

    Ironic really, seeing as how the origins in the 1920s was based on admin issues, it would have been to difficult and expensive to issue the Oirish in UK with passports..... agreed by the'Free State' government too.

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    All down to CTA yes. Just says Irish citizens


    “If you are an Irish citizen you would continue to have the right to enter and remain in the UK, as now. You are not required to do anything to protect your status,” it says. “In addition, you would continue to enjoy the reciprocal rights associated with the CTA in the same way that British citizens in Ireland would if there is no deal. These rights include the right to work, study and vote, access to social welfare benefits and health services. Where required domestic legislation and agreements would be updated to ensure that the CTA rights continue to have a clear legal basis.”
    And because it is reciprocal (Brits in or coming to Ireland) there is no way we can ever join Schengen
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    Thanks for the clarification DCon. The various quotes I saw were variable.

    As to the Schengen thing, just (more) evidence of our craven dependence on the brits, even after brexit.

    As I mentioned earlier on this thread, discussions are reported between us and them on how to deal with people who are thrown out of UK getting back in via 'EU' access here and onwards to UK. Just another bit of our independence to be given away.

    I have always felt we should have (and should still) been in Schengen. But..... too much bother and then there is the 1998 'treaty' stuff.

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    this will be well received



    Mr Juncker said: "It is not us who are leaving the United Kingdom - it is the United Kingdom that is leaving the European Union.

    "I find it entirely unreasonable for parts of the British public to believe that it is for the EU alone to propose a solution for all future British problems.

    "My appeal is this: get your act together and then tell us what it is you want. Our proposed solutions have been on the table for months."
    https://m.independent.ie/business/br...-37666882.html
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    Theresa May is likely to be offered an “exchange of letters” confirming the EU’s intention to conclude trade talks with the UK by 2021, as Brussels seeks to help the prime minister in the run-up to next week’s Commons vote on her deal.

    The correspondence under discussion would flesh out language already included in the withdrawal agreement but it is hoped its clarity could persuade some MPs of the EU’s intention to avoid triggering the Irish backstop.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-deal-by-2021


    Some interesting coordination going on between London, Dublin and the EU in an effort to get the WA through Westminster. Given the seriousness of the transport chaos that would engulf the UK in the event of a Hard-Brexit, it would be in both the DUP's and UK Govt's best interests to accept a form of words that would get the Deal over the line.

    The special best of both Worlds arrangements for NI would be a win win for NI and the UK as a whole which could look forward to having to shell out less billions on a newly prosperous province.

    Of course the current mood music among UK politicians is much more politically opportunistic than pragmatic, but the countdown to chaos will concentrate minds.

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    Yes, it would appear that a 'hard' brexit is the only outcome that nobody wants, but, there is no agreement on how to avoid it.

    Yesterday's nonsense in the Commons illustrates this nicely. The Gov is not obliged to introduce a new motion, within three days or any time, even if they could get a different WA. They may feel, for tactical reasons, the need to introduce a 'solution' most likely a deferral of the March 29th deadline, but not until they see if Brussels comes up with a fudge. This one will run.

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    an extension on the way


    The EU is preparing to delay Brexit until at least July after concluding that Theresa May is doomed to fail in getting her deal through parliament.

    The country’s 29 March deadline for exiting the EU is now regarded by Brussels as highly unlikely to be met given the domestic opposition facing the prime minister and it is expecting a request from London to extend article 50 in the coming weeks.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-at-least-july
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    I don't think it's technically okay for the UK to remain as a proper full member beyond the EU elections in May. How could a full member have no MEPs and simply excluding the UK from elections would fail to deliver the divvying up of the old UK seats to other members as has been promised. Maybe the UK will be allowed to elect MEPs to facilitate an extension or possible abandonment of BREXIT.

    There are an awful lot of kites being flown on the UK side of the Channel.
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