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    Workers Solidarity Movement:

    Pegida is a German “anti-Islamisation” political movement. The group’s name is an abbreviation of “Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the Occident” (German: Patriotische Europäer gegen die Islamisierung des Abendlandes). Offshoots of Pegida have formed in various countries. Ireland may become the 15th country to establish a branch of the organisation.

    Where does it come from?
    Pegida was founded in October 2014 by Lutz Bachmann, who runs a public relations agency in Dresden.

    What does it stand for?
    Pediga opposes what it considers to be “the Islamisation of the Western world”. It demands more restrictive immigration rules, particularly for Muslims.

    But they say they are anti-establishment?
    Pegida self-describes as anti-establishment, appealing to people’s resentment and fear in the wake of austerity, rising inequality and a growing lack of democracy within state and EU institutions. It also tries to exploit the arrival of migrants and refugees from the war-torn Middle East as an opportunity to demonise, to incite hatred against and to attack Muslims.

    Pegida presents its arguments in a hypocritical register of reasonableness and concern for people. The reality is that the group is a front for racist, far-right, and fascist political actors who have a much more sinister agenda than they are prepared to argue for in public.

    Who are the primary leaders?
    A good example of Pegida’s mask slipping is provided by its founder, Lutz Bachmann.
    On 21 January 2015, Bachmann resigned from Pegida after excerpts from a closed Facebook conversation incriminated him as having designated immigrants as "animals", "scumbags" and "trash". He was also quoted commenting that extra security was needed at the welfare office "to protect employees from the animals". On one occasion, Bachmann had posted a photo of a man wearing the uniform of the Ku Klux Klan accompanied by the slogan: "Three Ks a day keeps the minorities away."

    In February 2015 Pegida confirmed on its Facebook page that Lutz Bachmann had been re-elected as chairman by the six other members of the organisation’s leadership committee.

    Wait a second. Haven’t other fascist groups emerged from Germany in the past?
    Yes. Pegida considers itself the natural heirs to the Nazis of the 1930s and 40s. At Pegida's anniversary event on 19 October 2015, keynote speaker Akif Pirinçci named the Muslim refugees as invaders, with Germany becoming a "Muslim garbage dump." Pirinçci said the German government was acting like "Gauleiter against their own people," as they wanted critics of Germany's refugee policy to leave the country. Addressing the crowd shouting "Resistance!", he claimed that "there are other alternatives – but the concentration camps are unfortunately out of order at the moment." In Leipzig, as Pegida celebrated their one year anniversary, participants attacked and vandalised foreign-owned shops.

    How has Pegida operated?
    Throughout late 2014 and early 2015, Pediga held demonstrations every Monday, at a location and time specified beforehand on the movement's official Facebook page. Its Facebook page has almost 200,000 followers. It is seeking an electoral foothold. In June, 2015, Pegida candidate Tatjana Festerling ran for the mayoral office of Dresden, polling 9.6% in the first round. Marches in the streets also continue. Pegida drew as many as 20,000 supporters to a 19 October 2015 rally in Dresden.

    Who are Pegida’s supporters?
    Pegida’s appeal should not be underestimated, particularly given the wider political climate. Dresden University of Technology (TU) interviewed 400 Pegida demonstrators on 22 December 2014 and 12 January 2015. According to the poll, the main reasons of their participation were dissatisfaction with the political situation (54 percent), "Islam, Islamism and Islamisation” (23 percent), criticism of the media and the public (20 percent), and reservations regarding asylum seekers and migrants (15 percent).

    Who are Pegida’s Irish supporters?
    Pegida’s Irish-support base centres on the far-right group, Identity Ireland. Dan Ó Loinsigh claimed the group has 400 members in Ireland. Peter O’Loughlin of Identity Ireland will be running in Cork North Central in the 2016 General Election. He won 930 votes for Identity Ireland in the Carlow-Kilkenny by-election last year. Pegida UK co-ordinator and former English Defence League founder Tommy Robinson is also involved.

    Why do we oppose Pegida?
    As the WSM Constitution states: “We actively oppose all manifestations of prejudice within the workers' movement and society in general and we work alongside those struggling against racism, sexism, [religious] sectarianism and homophobia as a priority. We see the success of a revolution and the successful elimination of these oppressions after the revolution being determined by the building of such struggles in the pre-revolutionary period. The methods of struggle that we promote are a preparation for the running of society along anarchist and communist lines after the revolution.”

    As one comrade posted this morning, "Pegida must be stopped from gaining any foothold here. Capitalism and the way in which it condemns hundreds of millions of people worldwide to lives of poverty, destitution and war is responsible for the ghettoisation and impoverishment of communities. Blaming 'Muslims' lets the super wealthy and those really ripping us off off the hook. In Ireland it is the fact that governments have chosen to bail out bankers and international financial gamblers that has led to the current crisis in homelessness, and has led to massive cuts in necessary social services. Blaming 'Muslims' is nothing short of ridiculous.

    The 'English Defence League' are direct inheritors of the politics that not so long ago saw signs in London windows saying 'No blacks. No dogs. No Irish'.

    Pegida have nothing to offer: they cannot be allowed to spew their hatred or build a base of support, or we will all suffer in the long run".

    There is an alternative…
    Two different futures are fighting to be born in this moment.

    One is the future of more effective border guards, of dragging refugees off trains and herding them into camps, of war without end, of hatred for the 'other', of wealth for a privilege few and immiseration for the masses.

    The other future is glimpsed in the people quietly organising our own aid convoys to Calais, of solidarity with Rojava, of fighting for an equality that will be global in scope and from which no one will be locked out.

    Which of those futures will you choose to fight for?
    Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world has stood up and stopped the bastard, the (female dog) that bore him is in heat again. Bertolt Brecht

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    Good to see Irish Republicans preparing a warm welcome for the fascists..

    éirígí:

    The 'patriots' in Identity Ireland invited English Defence League founder Tommy Robinson to Cork to announce that they are going to attempt to establish an Irish branch of the racist and anti-Islamic 'Pegida' on February 6th.

    The irony of any Irish organisation supporting a British fascist seems to be lost on Peter O'Loughlin and Co. For decades the likes of Robinson have championed anti-Irish rhetoric and anti-Irish violence in cities across England. But now they have a 'new enemy' - so Paddy is now awright!

    Not since the time of the Blueshirts has a fascist organisation enjoyed any level of popular support in the Twenty-Six Counties. Back in the 1930's the Blueshirt modeled themselves on the Brownshirts led by one Adolf Hitler. Now Germany is exporting another hate-filled philosophy that has Muslims not Jews in its' sights.

    Identity Ireland, the English Defence League, Pegida and all of the other assorted neo-nazi, fascist and racist organisations represent a direct challenge to the cornerstone of Republicanism - Equality.

    They wish to divide the working class along the lines of religion, skin colour, nationality and other false divisions. In doing so they do the bidding of the ruling class. Hopefully the Irish people will see through these hate-mongers as they have previously seen through the likes of the Blueshirts.

    We in éirígí, like the republicans in the 1930's, stand in total opposition to the likes of Identity Ireland and Pegida. And like those in the 1930's who faced down the Blueshirts, we know that these modern-day bullies will ultimately have to be stood up to and faced down.
    Seán Heuston 1916 Society, Dublin:


    We'll be there to meet them head-on every time they show their ugly bigoted heads.
    ‪#‎AlwaysAntifa‬
    Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world has stood up and stopped the bastard, the (female dog) that bore him is in heat again. Bertolt Brecht

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    Republican Sinn Fein will be turning out:

    ..we shall never concede to any manifestation of imperialism, fascism or racism. We call on all our members and supporters available on the day to join the opposition to the formation of this group. Assemble at the GPO, 2.30pm sharp.
    Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world has stood up and stopped the bastard, the (female dog) that bore him is in heat again. Bertolt Brecht

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    Good to see Irish Republicans preparing a warm welcome for the fascists..

    éirígí:



    Seán Heuston 1916 Society, Dublin:
    Respect to Eirigi

    The article has since come down from the interwebz that Sound Migration wrote
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    Pre approved non parloamentary parties defending democracy and leftwing values.

    I could not think of two more irrelevant leftwing groups atm, which is a shame for Eirigi as they have had some good positions.

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    Nevertheless, I'd like to take the opportunity to agree with both groups re their position on this. The BNP and EDF are toxic English supremacist organizations that cannot be allowed to gain a toehold here
    "The floggings will continue until morale improves "

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    Statement of organisers


    WE PEACEFULLY GATHER TO CLAIM THE STREETS FOR ANTI-RACISTS and ANTI-FASCISTS

    #NoPegida

    On Saturday we are coming together to show the strength of community and of solidarity. To say no to Islamophobia.

    Join together across communities for a peaceful demonstration against the Pegida's Irish Branch.


    Lets make no mistake Pegida are attempting to import a racist, fascist organising model into Ireland, now is the time we stand together with Muslims and say no.

    Saturday is an opportunity to send a strong message that solidarity is stronger than hate. That Ireland is for all of the people who call it home.

    Who Lives Here Belongs Here

    Saturdays action is entirely peaceful.
    There will be colour and noise.
    There will be spoken word, music and of course some speeches.

    Bring all the things you need for a community celebration. Bring banners and colour, bring warm clothes, bring something to drink, bring community and a smile. Bring your voice onto to our streets to say no to those wishing to organise on racist platforms. Next Saturday is a day for people, communities, groups and organisations committed to justice and equality to stand in solidarity not only people affected by Islamophobia but with all of the groups and there are many that suffer where fascists groups get a foothold.

    The event is organised by a coalition of groups and individuals commited to anti-racist principles.
    Supporting Organisations Include (in alphabetical order);
    Anti Austerity Alliance, Akidwa Ireland, Africa Centre Dublin, Ireland Anti Racism Network Ireland, Attac Ireland Autistic Rights Together Dialogue & Diversity, Dublin Calais Refugee Solidarity, Dublin City Centre Citizens Information Service,Doras Luimni EDeNn, ENAR Ireland Gluaiseacht for Global Justice Fighting for Humanity, Irish Anti-War Movement, Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign (IPSC), Irish Refugee Council, Irish Missionary Union-Conference of Religious in Ireland, National Traveller Womens Forum, Show Racism the Red Card - Ireland, SARI - Sport Against Racism Ireland, SIPTU, Sinn Féin Ireland, The Platform, Pavee Point, People Before Profit, Irish Traveller Movement, Migrant Rights Centre Ireland, United Against Racism.

    Bus from Cork https://www.facebook.com/events/495992210601588/
    Bus from Galway
    https://www.facebook.com/events/1095693517118284/
    Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world has stood up and stopped the bastard, the (female dog) that bore him is in heat again. Bertolt Brecht

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    Statement of organisers
    X 3 Traveller organisations out there against racism.
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    WE PEACEFULLY GATHER TO CLAIM THE STREETS FOR ANTI-RACISTS and ANTI-FASCISTS

    #NoPegida

    On Saturday we are coming together to show the strength of community and of solidarity. To say no to Islamophobia.

    Join together across communities for a peaceful demonstration against the Pegida's Irish Branch.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    Irony of ironies. Pegida's ranks were apparently swelled by some Polish neo-Nazis today but still by all accounts didn't amount to more that a couple of dozen. They seemingly tried to get to the GPO, where a thousand strong anti-fascist crowd had gathered, to cause a provocation but were hunted down until rescue by the Gardai riot squad who were present in considerable numbers.
    Definitely a bad day for the left...a gift for Fine Gael.... if this doesn't frighten the electorate... I'll eat my hat!
    Last edited by riposte; 07-02-2016 at 12:37 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riposte View Post
    Definitely a bad day for the left...a gift for Fine Gael.... if this doesn't frighten the electorate... I'll eat my hat!
    What would be a bad day for the Left is allowing Pegida/British fascists the run of O'Connell Street in 2016.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer

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    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    I normally only post about water charges, but I have to comment give my view on this weekened events.

    The 98Fm Adrian Kennedy morning talkshow was discussing PEGIDA. Minister Varadkar was discussing PEGIDA. Newstalk was discussing PEGIDA That's all I've heard from switching from two radio stations to play in the background. Probably got similar amounts of attention on other radio shows. , The Journal article has received hundreds of thousands of views .

    PEGIDA are receiving a good bit of media attention over this. If they were ignored, it would have been a group of lads with a banner or two handing out a few leaflets. Not much would have came from it and most of the Irish populace wouldn't have known about nor heard of PEGIDA .

    This isn't the 1950s. If you attack people in the streets, you're not stopping them from spreading their message. With modern media, technology and communications - you're just making them centre of attention and helping them gain both publicity and sympathy, as I have read a lot of comments from people with sympathy for Pegida supporters after the footage of people attack in the street on the Rte weekend news, what I have also noticed online is a quite a few comments from people in different online threads stating they were planning on voting Sinn Fein or AAA etc but have changed their mind because of the those parties behind involved in the counter protest and what took place on the street, some parties such as the social democrats who stood back and didn,t attend the counter rally made the right judgement call as no one on any online threads is associating them with what went on up on Grafton street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by La Chime View Post
    I normally only post about water charges, but I have to comment give my view on this weekened events.

    The 98Fm Adrian Kennedy morning talkshow was discussing PEGIDA. Minister Varadkar was discussing PEGIDA. Newstalk was discussing PEGIDA That's all I've heard from switching from two radio stations to play in the background. Probably got similar amounts of attention on other radio shows. , The Journal article has received hundreds of thousands of views .

    PEGIDA are receiving a good bit of media attention over this. If they were ignored, it would have been a group of lads with a banner or two handing out a few leaflets. Not much would have came from it and most of the Irish populace wouldn't have known about nor heard of PEGIDA .

    This isn't the 1950s. If you attack people in the streets, you're not stopping them from spreading their message. With modern media, technology and communications - you're just making them centre of attention and helping them gain both publicity and sympathy, as I have read a lot of comments from people with sympathy for Pegida supporters after the footage of people attack in the street on the Rte weekend news, what I have also noticed online is a quite a few comments from people in different online threads stating they were planning on voting Sinn Fein or AAA etc but have changed their mind because of the those parties behind involved in the counter protest and what took place on the street, some parties such as the social democrats who stood back and didn,t attend the counter rally made the right judgement call as no one on any online threads is associating them with what went on up on Grafton street.
    Pegida will get some support in Ireland because of the social conditions and because of the determined efforts of people from outside Ireland to get it going - and because it will be protected by the police and political establishment.

    Golden Dawn in Greece was ignored. I don't think it should have been.
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    Default Maidir Le: Re: Maidir Le: Re: Pegida Ireland ...

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Pegida will get some support in Ireland because of the social conditions and because of the determined efforts of people from outside Ireland to get it going - and because it will be protected by the police and political establishment.

    Golden Dawn in Greece was ignored. I don't think it should have been.
    I would disagree, there is a certain level of apathy among people towards politics and political issues for example in elections along with referendums there is always more then 40% who simply just dont vote, the events this past weekend I will try do a comparison - the love ulster march 10 years ago if people had of stayed away and simply ignored it would of gotten very little publicity' but because of the violence that day 10 years it got plenty of publicity along with media coverage' likewise with the Pegida thing on saturday has gotten publicity because of what occured this weekend, now and again I go to dublin for maybe a bit of shopping and a day out ' there is always various campaign groups I see around the gpo area canvassing about something or other sometimes with a banner by their stall with leaflets etc' most people might just politely take a leaflet and keep walking; if pegida had of being ignored they would of getting a similar response to what other groups receive and would not of the made the rte six evening news.

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