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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    Tut tut, Count... the rankings are from 2000, not 2010.

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    Source: http://www.who.int/whr/2000/en
    My bad, i looked at the date of the first comment which was 2010...........
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    But of course you're right about the dubious origins of this recent "study".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Here's the WHO rankings from 2010. Ireland's position is not much different from 2000.

    http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian...ealth-systems/

    I'd wager the WHO has more experience, and is more accurate than a 5 y.o. outfit, that makes patently false claims about its real estate database.
    this appears to be more accurate ..

    how the hell is Paracetamol country UK ahead of Spain even by one slot? ... [biz insider working for someone?]

    plus UK/Ireland should be about equivalent as shown in WHO chart

    (Portugal lost some ground in the 'austerity' years tho from initial source 2000)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    But of course you're right about the dubious origins of this recent "study".
    i guess we all agree on that

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    It's quite interesting, there are many intricacies to Ireland's health system.

    If you're literally bleeding and near a major hospital then the Irish system isn't too bad. If you have disease that needs treating, forget it, a useless Merry go round of waiting lists, inability and unwillingness to be pro-active and a myriad of other cholesterol in a system with deliberate blockages designed not to fix but to contain you.

    Our system has lots of shiny stuff and a self serving attitude which means it doesn't perform well. GPs are often excellent but they're fighting a losing battle with the hospital system.

    Get a blood test in Ireland and shur everything is grand despite the fact that it's not. They have an arrogant and useless time serving attitude.

    I partially severed a few fingers years ago, in the UK they told me I needed tendons reattached. Flew back to Ireland to get the job done privately in a major hospital. The surgeon told me the tendons weren't served, I told him quite sharply that they told me in England that they were. Okay so says yer man after I glared at him and yes they were cut and did need surgery. I've a relative who was told they'd nothing wrong with them, they kept at it and after many hard fought for scans managed to find a cancer which they're now fighting. I know of a lot of people who died because of the useless care they received from very very well paid doctors. Like our legal system our health system is not fit for purpose. I'd have a million more times faith in a sophisticated blood ananlysing machine and programme than I'd have in an entire hospital of consultants here.

    Our health system is one of the best reasons for emigrating, it's that bad..
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    Having lived in the UK for quite a long time, I would rate the Welsh NHS as less good than the system in Dublin. I had children in both places...plenty of experience of both systems, sadly. And I would guess that the NHS has also been sinking like a stone since 2010....the Tories want to make its inoperability very obvious before consigning to the trash can. They are being fought tooth and nail. But the system is probably Ultimately inoperable without some big changes economically.

    I don't have the link, but I remember seeing 2008-2009 surveys rating the UK system and the Irish one at 16-17.

    The NHS just tells you there's nothing wrong with you and to get lost without running tests. Here, at least they tend to run more tests on the precautionary principle.

    There's also the fact that these ratings are done on system reported metrics. The Brits lie about these. There was a dictat under Bliar that no one on a waiting list should be there for more than 6 months. So they wrote to you every 5 and a half months to ask if you wanted to be moved to the new waiting list. I should have kept the evidence....

    At least the shythe metrics here appear to be more honestly reported...if they tell you you'll be waiting so long, the figure is usually accurate. Maybe awful, but accurate....

    Neither system is a patch on the Canadian one; those guys believed in prevention. But even there, I knew someone who had had the wrong kidney removed, and I remember spending at least 5-6 hours in an A and E...in summer....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    It's quite interesting, there are many intricacies to Ireland's health system.

    If you're literally bleeding and near a major hospital then the Irish system isn't too bad. If you have disease that needs treating, forget it, a useless Merry go round of waiting lists, inability and unwillingness to be pro-active and a myriad of other cholesterol in a system with deliberate blockages designed not to fix but to contain you.

    Our system has lots of shiny stuff and a self serving attitude which means it doesn't perform well. GPs are often excellent but they're fighting a losing battle with the hospital system.

    Get a blood test in Ireland and shur everything is grand despite the fact that it's not. They have an arrogant and useless time serving attitude.

    I partially severed a few fingers years ago, in the UK they told me I needed tendons reattached. Flew back to Ireland to get the job done privately in a major hospital. The surgeon told me the tendons weren't served, I told him quite sharply that they told me in England that they were. Okay so says yer man after I glared at him and yes they were cut and did need surgery. I've a relative who was told they'd nothing wrong with them, they kept at it and after many hard fought for scans managed to find a cancer which they're now fighting. I know of a lot of people who died because of the useless care they received from very very well paid doctors. Like our legal system our health system is not fit for purpose. I'd have a million more times faith in a sophisticated blood ananlysing machine and programme than I'd have in an entire hospital of consultants here.

    Our health system is one of the best reasons for emigrating, it's that bad..
    It really is shocking. A&E is a terrible experience and I feel sorry especially for kids that have to go through that environment.
    Doctors and nurses don't want to work in our hospitals anymore.

    That's mad about your own experience, imagine a health service where you literally have to push the doctors to finding out what's wrong with you or for the correct treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morticia View Post
    Having lived in the UK for quite a long time, I would rate the Welsh NHS as less good than the system in Dublin. I had children in both places...plenty of experience of both systems, sadly. And I would guess that the NHS has also been sinking like a stone since 2010....the Tories want to make its inoperability very obvious before consigning to the trash can. They are being fought tooth and nail. But the system is probably Ultimately inoperable without some big changes economically.

    I don't have the link, but I remember seeing 2008-2009 surveys rating the UK system and the Irish one at 16-17.

    The NHS just tells you there's nothing wrong with you and to get lost without running tests. Here, at least they tend to run more tests on the precautionary principle.

    There's also the fact that these ratings are done on system reported metrics. The Brits lie about these. There was a dictat under Bliar that no one on a waiting list should be there for more than 6 months. So they wrote to you every 5 and a half months to ask if you wanted to be moved to the new waiting list. I should have kept the evidence....

    At least the shythe metrics here appear to be more honestly reported...if they tell you you'll be waiting so long, the figure is usually accurate. Maybe awful, but accurate....

    Neither system is a patch on the Canadian one; those guys believed in prevention. But even there, I knew someone who had had the wrong kidney removed, and I remember spending at least 5-6 hours in an A and E...in summer....
    That piece about the false metrics is on Adam Curtis documentary called the trap. It was new labour who really started to drive privatisation.

    Out of curiosity morticia was your experience in Dublin private or public?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    It really is shocking. A&E is a terrible experience and I feel sorry especially for kids that have to go through that environment.
    Doctors and nurses don't want to work in our hospitals anymore.

    That's mad about your own experience, imagine a health service where you literally have to push the doctors to finding out what's wrong with you or for the correct treatment.
    It has improved massively, but the consultant as Bishop whose ring must be kissed and who can do no official wrong still rules the roost.

    My wife and I have been deeply traumatised and injured by the arrogance and incompetence of the medical "profession" over many decades of her horrific illness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    It's quite interesting, there are many intricacies to Ireland's health system.

    If you're literally bleeding and near a major hospital then the Irish system isn't too bad. If you have disease that needs treating, forget it, a useless Merry go round of waiting lists, inability and unwillingness to be pro-active and a myriad of other cholesterol in a system with deliberate blockages designed not to fix but to contain you.

    Our system has lots of shiny stuff and a self serving attitude which means it doesn't perform well. GPs are often excellent but they're fighting a losing battle with the hospital system.

    Get a blood test in Ireland and shur everything is grand despite the fact that it's not. They have an arrogant and useless time serving attitude.

    I partially severed a few fingers years ago, in the UK they told me I needed tendons reattached. Flew back to Ireland to get the job done privately in a major hospital. The surgeon told me the tendons weren't served, I told him quite sharply that they told me in England that they were. Okay so says yer man after I glared at him and yes they were cut and did need surgery. I've a relative who was told they'd nothing wrong with them, they kept at it and after many hard fought for scans managed to find a cancer which they're now fighting. I know of a lot of people who died because of the useless care they received from very very well paid doctors. Like our legal system our health system is not fit for purpose. I'd have a million more times faith in a sophisticated blood ananlysing machine and programme than I'd have in an entire hospital of consultants here.

    Our health system is one of the best reasons for emigrating, it's that bad..
    Heard today that Ireland has the second highest health care spend in the OECD (is that per capita? as % of GDP, that was not explained). The system is awash with money, but much of that money is spent on supporting caste privilege and much funnelled into private profit. I've come across some services that I consider could not be bettered, little pearls in a trough of detritus.

    I'm very sorry about the failure to diagnose - adds anger and stress, and frustration, to a situation when all the energies are needed for dealing with the illness.

    It should not be so difficult to get scans

    The service is also grossly unequal in terms of access.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Heard today that Ireland has the second highest health care spend in the OECD (is that per capita? as % of GDP, that was not explained). The system is awash with money, but much of that money is spent on supporting caste privilege and much funnelled into private profit. I've come across some services that I consider could not be bettered, little pearls in a trough of detritus.

    I'm very sorry about the failure to diagnose - adds anger and stress, and frustration, to a situation when all the energies are needed for dealing with the illness.

    It should not be so difficult to get scans

    The service is also grossly unequal in terms of access.
    It's not so much an inability to get tests done that's the problem, it's getting a competent viewing of test results and action taken following tests.

    My GP showed me on the x-ray a hairline fracture in my face after an accident, he and work made me go to a regional hospital for treatment, the overpaid moron in the regional hospital who looked at the x-rays couldn't find the fracture that my vastly experienced GP found.

    The relative had extensive scans before finally getting a diagnosis, the consultants couldn't find the tumor until finally one particular doctor saw it. You literally can have no faith in their diagnostic skills or willingness to share what they find with you.

    I could write a book about my wife's experiences with horrible misogynistic incompetent consultants but it's still too raw of a wound to go to.

    Other people that I knew died from poor diagnosis and mistreatment with hospitals paying out regular settlements to injured parties and the same consultants still in place and up on a pedestal treating an unsuspecting public..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    It's not so much an inability to get tests done that's the problem, it's getting a competent viewing of test results and action taken following tests.

    My GP showed me on the x-ray a hairline fracture in my face after an accident, he and work made me go to a regional hospital for treatment, the overpaid moron in the regional hospital who looked at the x-rays couldn't find the fracture that my vastly experienced GP found.
    Ah that's why ye guys need my advice here (from time to time)

    send it to India...that's is growing biz in the US... if you have good technology/scanning machines in place (expensive stuff) all you need is a good/safe/high powered internet connection and you send the scan to where the specialists in reading scans are.

    At the moment they are in India I am told. This is also a good way to generate business and keep people living in their own countries...

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    The waiting list for an MRI in Dublin.is eighteen months. If you have insurance you can have one next week. The system is truly two tier. If there were proper private accident and emergency units in Ireland RTE and the like would not care about waiting times and trollies as it would only be the poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Here's the WHO rankings from 2010. Ireland's position is not much different from 2000.

    http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian...ealth-systems/

    I'd wager the WHO has more experience, and is more accurate than a 5 y.o. outfit, that makes patently false claims about its real estate database.
    The Serbian site looks like a joke. Compare 2012 with 2015 and you will see quite impossible disparities.

    It is interesting that it has been given so much credence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    It's not so much an inability to get tests done that's the problem, it's getting a competent viewing of test results and action taken following tests.

    My GP showed me on the x-ray a hairline fracture in my face after an accident, he and work made me go to a regional hospital for treatment, the overpaid moron in the regional hospital who looked at the x-rays couldn't find the fracture that my vastly experienced GP found.

    The relative had extensive scans before finally getting a diagnosis, the consultants couldn't find the tumor until finally one particular doctor saw it. You literally can have no faith in their diagnostic skills or willingness to share what they find with you.

    I could write a book about my wife's experiences with horrible misogynistic incompetent consultants but it's still too raw of a wound to go to.

    Other people that I knew died from poor diagnosis and mistreatment with hospitals paying out regular settlements to injured parties and the same consultants still in place and up on a pedestal treating an unsuspecting public..
    That all rings completely true. Diagnosis from x-ray's and scans is something that requires very fine visual judgement, as well as experience and medical knowledge. That is not something that is tested for in most examination systems.

    I've heard other people say that family members found things on x-rays and had to point them out to the doctors.

    Another factor may be that they are half asleep, due to the insane working hours.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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